I agree with Eben's points below... Maybe it would help if one of us mocked up the alternative he is describing?
Christian On Jun 4, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Eben Eliason <eben.elia...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Eben Eliason > <eben.elia...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo >>> >>> Christian - I myself prefer the "rays" to dots which I feel too >>> closely resemble networks in the Neighborhood view, confusion is >>> possible (networks being connected to at startup?) >>> >>> Fred - I'm willing to try that sunrise metaphor, tonight if I can >>> (travelling today) >>> >>> Re splash page with logo: in my next mockup I'll leave off the >>> example >>> school logo.and move that frame to the end. It might be better to >>> "reserve" a frame for customizable logo or message, before or after >>> the Sugar spash page >> >> Yes, in that mockup the first screen is kind of overwhelming with >> several logos and a few pieces of textual information. At the same >> time, we tried very hard to eliminate the slideshow effect that feels >> (well, is) like a bunch of marketing material that detracts from the >> UI. >> >> I think the Sugar logo should stand alone, so it reads powerfully, >> and >> then be replaced in short order by the XO. Perhaps we could entertain >> a text only solution to identifying the school, in gray beneath the >> sugar logo. Thoughts? >> >>> Version info: In fact I feel strongly about showing version >>> information... or its corollary, making it easy to find. Teachers, >> >> I think it's more important that we make it easy to find in the UI. >> Kids won't reboot that often, and it would be silly to reboot just to >> find that info. >> >>> parents, admins, G1G1 donors unfamiliar with Sugar will not have the >>> foggiest idea how to hunt down version information (Learners might >>> not >>> have trouble finding it - they will explore their machines ad >>> infinitum - but they can't be expected to know about versioning). We >>> are about to embark on hundreds of thousands of XO-1.5s running >>> v0..84 >>> which will coexist with a huge installed base of v0.82 (and many >>> earlier); SoaS with its simplified numbering scheme will (we hope) >>> sow >>> the seeds for preinstalled Sugar in distributions for education >>> projects. We may be deploying v0.86 at the end of the year... aside >>> from how we manage the Activity compatibility matrix, we need to >>> make >>> such info *extremely* easy to track down for someone interested in >>> checking if Sugar + Activities are "up-to-date". Our strategy for >>> teacher buy-in is star marketing on Activities (see press releases); >>> making Activity installation/upgrade simple this summer is part of >>> what we need to do to make SoaS possible in the classroom. Helping >>> users understand what version they have (of Sugar, of each Activity) >>> is a key aspect of that. >>> >>> I agree that it's unpleasant to see numbers at boot time >>> (especially a >>> datestamped snapshot number). Why don't we borrow an idea from >>> Apple? >> >> We basically have this already. We ust happen to have an XO in the >> center of the screen, instead of an apple icon in the upper left. The >> info is actually in the "About my XO" section of the settings, which >> might be one step too far. We could go back to an earlier design for >> the XO menu and have a direct "About my XO" menu item which jumps >> directly to the correct settings panel. >> >> We could also separate the "About my XO" panel from settings, >> removing >> it from the settings panel completely and showing it as it's own >> modal >> dialog accessible via an "About my XO" menu item. >> >> I would be fine with either approach. >> >>> They have a tiny apple icon in the upper-left corner of the screen; >>> clicking on it opens a window with the processor, RAM and OSX >>> version >>> number. In addition to the "About my computer" section in the >>> Control >>> Panel, perhaps we could show the version in the Frame? The bottom >>> bar >>> has room I think. >> >> There's no need to expose this information directly. It will only be >> needed on occasion, and the Frame is designed for the information you >> want to carry with you all the time. >> >>> When we start to get consolidated feedback, we will know if >>> difficult-to-find version info is a problem for Sugar / Activity >>> updaters or not. I feel sure it is and showing the version in the >>> Frame (the one-glance status communicator) seems to me a good >>> approach >>> which would let us skip info in the splash screen. >>> >>> Nota: my idea would be for each version to change the Sugar logo >>> color >>> too... potentially allowing troubleshooters to ask "what color is >>> the >>> Sugar logo?" and match that to the version number. >> >> I would much rather see the logo change colors with each boot, but > > I meant to take this back before sending, and forgot to. I actually > think changing the colors with each release is a pretty awesome idea. > > Eben > >> changing with each release is a pretty cool idea. I would support >> that. I think there are enough of combinations to make "wrapping >> around" a non-issue, as long as we only change the color for major >> releases (2 per year, on average). >> >> >> Finally, regarding the animation itself: I Think the gray dots are >> still the best option, and the clearest. They fit the style, but >> won't >> be confused with APs. If we can in any way manage it, coloring the XO >> in the child's chosen colors is really the way that color should be >> introduced. The colored dots seem to undermine the importance of that >> metaphor, for me. Everywhere else in the UI, color relates to >> identity; has meaning. (All the more reason to change the sugar logo >> colors with each release!) These randomly colored dots just don't >> seem >> fit within that concept. >> >> Also, if no "dot" solution seems to gain consensus, we could go back >> to a simple progress bar, which is perhaps less interesting, but >> simple and clean and matches the UI. >> >> Eben >> >>> thanks >>> >>> Sean >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Frederick Grose <fgr...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Please indulge me to make another pitch for the 'sunrise' >>>> metaphor for the >>>> growing ring. >>>> Using the same color locations, the ring would build from sunrise >>>> orange to >>>> midday yellow to afternoon greens and blues to dusky red-violets >>>> (perhaps >>>> the darker one last). These are just common earth metaphors that >>>> might come >>>> to mind as children worldwide--who may have never seen a analog >>>> or digital >>>> clock--anticipate what may be waiting for them in their day ahead >>>> of them. >>>> The ring would also build from one foot, and end symmetrically on >>>> the >>>> other--a growth surrounding the nascent learner like a cover--a >>>> home--a safe >>>> shelter for learning or a shower of celestial opportunities. >>>> "Will I grow >>>> too like the graphic is suggesting?" >>>> OK, these are just potential metaphors... >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:17 PM, Frederick Grose >>>> <fgr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I like that a lot. >>>>> I'm with others on leaving the version number as well to the >>>>> 'About my >>>>> Computer' panel. (It can be referenced and then read as needed >>>>> after >>>>> booting, whereas the vanishing boot image just makes me nervous >>>>> about >>>>> writing down or memorizing a long number.) >>>>> The Green Hornet, would of course only appear on a 'Graphic >>>>> guidelines' >>>>> page for deployments and packagers. >>>>> I suggest you try this sequence: >>>>> 1. a short, blank white field (infinite potential) >>>>> 2. the small xo figure (just possibly me in a big universe) >>>>> 3. the building ring and figure (what might be building for me? >>>>> Will I >>>>> grow too as suggested?) >>>>> 4. the Sugar, and optional custom graphic, pausing, usually a >>>>> machine-dependent variable time, allowing for reading (fixing >>>>> the name of >>>>> this tool and those who built it for me) Do we want a >>>>> gray Sugar >>>>> Labs opposite the fedora remix? >>>>> (5. the living, playable, ready-to-open door to Learning--the >>>>> Sugar Home >>>>> view.) >>>>> Thanks everyone! --Fred >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Fred - I have uploaded a new variant to the wiki: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_No_Prior_Outlines.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 4:37 AM, Frederick Grose >>>>>> <fgr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I mostly like it. Seems to be close to what we want for now. >>>>>>> Please consider these adjustments: >>>>>>> 1. No fine print (leave that for the 'About my Computer" >>>>>>> panel). >>>>>>> 2. Scale the custom school graphic example (Green Hornet) to >>>>>>> fit the >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> elements, leave out the fine print. >>>>>>> 3. Let the rays grow incrementally to complete the ring (no >>>>>>> unfilled >>>>>>> place >>>>>>> holders). I feel more anticipation and suspense from the ring >>>>>>> growing >>>>>>> without the preview, and more satisfaction of seeing the >>>>>>> completed >>>>>>> color >>>>>>> burst. >>>>>>> Thank you! --Fred >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here's the second mockup: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a >>>>>>>> "growing" or >>>>>>>> "approaching" XO avatar. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Comments welcome please. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Marketing mailing list >>>>>>> market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Marketing mailing list >>>> market...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/marketing >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >>> i...@lists.sugarlabs.org >>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >>> >> _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel