On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Gary Martin <garycmar...@googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi Sascha, > > On 11 Dec 2010, at 09:40, Sascha Silbe <sascha-ml-reply-to-201...@silbe.org> > wrote: > >> Excerpts from Gary Martin's message of Sat Dec 11 05:05:07 +0100 2010: >> >>>> (and perhaps we could add a 'send >>>> a notification' submenu to the friends icons on the Frame as well). >>> >>> I'm still thinking on that one... Chat type notifications from friends >>> would seem like the ideal case for a consolidated, time ordered list of >>> chat messages (not mixed in with other notification types), so you could >>> actually have a valid conversation flow with collaborating buddies. If new >>> messages were shown attached to the given buddy icon context, you'd be hard >>> pressed to follow the sequence of a conversation (that UI would only really >>> work for one on one private conversation flow). >> >> I don't think chatting is a good use case for notifications. > > Agreed, I tried to make that clear in some of my previous emails, however top > right corner pulse notifications 'may' provide the way to reveal this > activity without too much screen intrusion, along with (possibly) buddy > badges. > >> And we >> already have XMPP and the Chat activity (they even work with non-Sugar >> users up to some extent!) for that. If there's something about it that >> you don't like, please bring it up so we can fix Chat (or XMPP support >> in general) instead of bending new tools to do the same. > > This is not the same as a specific Chat focused activity. Activity > collaboration already provides a Chat channel for free, but it is not exposed > by Sugar. I think there may have been one exception here for a board game > activity that put this chat channel in a split screen of the activity. Using > the frame would allow the Sugar shell to manage the chat channel for all > activities, suddenly every activity automatically gains a useful > collaboration feature! > >> One improvement that came up in the past but never got implemented is >> overlay chat for activities [1]. > > Yes, this is just the kind of use I was trying to cover, perhaps using a top > right corner pulse to indicate that an buddy chat message arrived, and then a > right frame edge icon to reveal the actual text when the owner wants to see > it (or alternatively badging a right frame edge buddy icon and adding the > text message there). One complication is that each shared activity has a > separate chat channel, so if you are using Paint, and a message arrives from > a user in Moon, the notification needs to indicate which activity the new > buddy message can be found in.
It seems then that notification and activity-specific chat are linked. Why not put the notification on the activity icon on the Frame and use a chat that is similar to your previous design for system-wide chat that appears with the buddies on a per-activity basis? -walter > > Regards, > --Gary > >> Sascha >> >> [1] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/0/0e/Overlay_chat_sketch.pdf >> -- >> http://sascha.silbe.org/ >> http://www.infra-silbe.de/ > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org _______________________________________________ Sugar-devel mailing list Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
