Hi Gonzalo
Thank you very much for the links.
Indeed, this is a Zoom Metaphor, but somehow I think that it is not a
true ZUI metaphor, because a user can only "jump" from one view to the
other and can not zoom inside a single view. Also, applications like the
Journal are not part of the Zoom Metaphor. So far, I can only point to
the videos on the website of Eagle Mode once again (link at the bottom
of this e-mail).
I will follow your advices, come back when I toyed with SOAS, and make a
feature proposal if there is still something to propose at all.
I also thought about to make some sketches, but did not know where to
put them on the Wiki.
Christian
Hi Christian,
Zoom metaphor was in Sugar from day one [1]
Maybe you can make a concrete feature proposal to help us understand
what are you proposing?
You can read about our Features policy [2]
and see how the Features are proposed, like in this example [3]
More examples here [4] and here [5]
Gonzalo
[1]
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Human_Interface_Guidelines/The_Laptop_Experience/Zoom_Metaphor
[2] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Policy
[3] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/AboutMe
[4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Category:Feature_Landed
[5] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features
On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Christian Stroetmann
<stroetm...@ontolab.com <mailto:stroetm...@ontolab.com>> wrote:
Hi again
And here is a collaborative story authoring tool for children
called KidPad ([1]) based on ZUI and related with Pad++. It is
based on Jazz respectively Piccolo ([2]; unmantained website),
which has as successor Piccolo2 ([3]; use this website for more
software technical informations). Said this, the general concept
to use a ZUI for eductional software is not so new.
I also looked at the Sugar framework again in relation with a
potential prototyp of Sugar+ZUI. At least two options exist:
1. Put ZUI into a Linux kernel.
Pro: In this way Sugar developers could decide if they want to use
it or not. This might also have advantages with the overall
perforamance
Contra: There are X11, D-Bus and Gnome dependancies.
Personally, I prefer Wayland instead of X11 but this is another
Sugar enhancement.
2. Put ZUI into the Glucose layer.
Pro: ?
Contra: Binds ZUI to Python or/and JavaSript.
Personally, I prefer my Boot to WebCore with C++Core, but this is
another Sugar story.
Christian
[1] KidPad www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/kiddesign/kidpad.shtml
<http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/kiddesign/kidpad.shtml>
[2] Jazz and Piccolo www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/jazz/
<http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/jazz/>
[3] Piccolo2 www.piccolo2d.org <http://www.piccolo2d.org>
Hi again
I forget to say something to your question related with the
educational technology.
Firstly, I found the following statements on the webpage "What is
Sugar?" in the section "About the Sugar Learning Platform" of
Sugar ([1]) that says:
" It is easy to approach and yet it doesn't put an upper bound on
personal expression; one can peel away layers and go deeper and
deeper, with no restrictions." and
"[...] in whatever realm the learner is exploring [...] they are
able to drill deeper; they are not going to hit a wall, since
they can, at every level, engage in debugging both their personal
expression and the very tools that they use for that expression."
Hence, Sugar+ZUI supports the learning even with the related UI
paradigm that reflects the general computer desktop metaphor as
well as the 3rd characteristical attribute of Sugar.
Secondly, if the U.S. government supports this ZUI based Prezi
software as part of a billion U.S. Dollar donation even if it
does not comply with ADA and 508 actually, then there must be a
very strong reason to include a ZUI based application in a
framework of educational software. Sadly to say, I do not know
the true reason actually, but my instinct gives me a very clear
hint. For sure, I do know that these might not be convicting
arguments.
Christian
[1] Sugar, What is Sugar?, About the Sugar Learning Plattform
wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/What_is_Sugar
<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/What_is_Sugar>
Hi Sam
Basically, I find this ZUI concept as attractive as the
multi-touchscreen and the mind mapping approach.
Also, the foundational hierachical structure of Sugar with the
views you mentioned fits perfectly with a ZUI.
The problem I have seen is that the screen gets more and more
crowded with icons when Sugar is used and collaborations are
made. Also, specific applications like the Journal suffer from
this problem respectively allow to present only a small list of
documents and activities at once. In this relation, I refer to
some screenshots that I have seen on the Sugar Labs website. A
solution to this problem is a ZUI functionality.
Even better, due to the simple GUI metaphor of Sugar
deliberately designed for children, Sugar+ZUI should already run
smoothly when a user zooms in an out with actual hardware.
The actual plan is to try to implement a prototyp of Sugar+ZUI,
though until now it is just a concept and a plan, and I wanted
to ask the other developers at first, if they are interested and
if it is worth to go in this direction at all.
Christian
Totally forgot to reply all xD
On Mar 1, 2014 9:10 PM, "Sam Parkinson"
<sam.parkins...@gmail.com <mailto:sam.parkins...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
In sugar we currently have 'the views'. I think the vid on
our site shows that.
The whole zui thing does look cool, but besides prezi I
cannot see any clear use cases in edu tech. What do you
have in mind?
Sam
On Mar 1, 2014 9:04 PM, "Christian Stroetmann"
<stroetm...@ontolab.com <mailto:stroetm...@ontolab.com>> wrote:
Aloha
Since many years now I am looking at Sugar and the
underlying basic software technologies. Besides this, I
am also interested in the specific field of Graphical
User Interfaces (GUI).
In this relation, I would like to present a concept
that is an extension of the general GUI approach of the
Sugar learning software with a Zooming User Interface
(ZUI; [1]).
One inspiring moment was that recently the U.S.American
government together with companiens like Adobe, Prezi,
Microsoft and Apple announced to make software
donationsto schools (related reports can be find in the
web easily).
One specific software is Prezi ([2]) that is developed
in Adobe Flash and Adobe AIR, and built on top of
Django (Python web framework). Surprisingly, Prezi is
not compliant with the Americans with Disabilities Act
(ADA) and Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act ([3]
and [4])but used in education (see again [2]).
I looked around and found the software Eagle Mode ([5];
for a first impression see the videos on its website
diretly).
Said this, I simply counted 1+1, Sugar+ZUI and Sugar+Eagle.
Such an UI approach has advantages and disadvantages
that are discussed shortly on the website of Eagle Mode
(see [6]). The point with the hardware requirements
seems not to be relevant, because for example the
hardware of the latest featurephones and featuretablets
(simple smartphones and tablet computers) should be
useable with a ZUI and are available for around 30 U.S.
Dollar already.
Have fun
Christian Stroetmann
[1] Wikipedia, ZUI
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooming_user_interface>
[2] Wikipedia, Prezi en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prezi
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prezi>
[3] Wikipedia, Rehabilitation Act of
1973en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Rehabilitation_Act
<http://1973en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Rehabilitation_Act>
[4] Wikipedia, Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_508_of_the_Rehabilitation_Act
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_508_of_the_Rehabilitation_Act>
[5] Eagle Mode eaglemode.sourceforge.net
<http://eaglemode.sourceforge.net>
[6] Eagle Mode, Project Philosoophy
eaglemode.sourceforge.net/philosophy.html
<http://eaglemode.sourceforge.net/philosophy.html>
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