Hello Lionel sir and sugar community,
        I have proposed few changes to Sugarizer UI and I guess few
changes are worth adopting. I would be thankful if you once check the
document, if you find  that changes will actually make difference to the UI
and user experience then please give your feedback. So that i can
contribute to the proposed changes.
I have proposed changes and given them numerical identification and also
shared the document in editable format so you find any changes can be made
please give your feedback.

Document link:: Click me to open !!
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing>

Thank you.

On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 1:22 AM James Cameron <qu...@laptop.org> wrote:

> Thanks.  I looked at the document previously and saw some of the proposed
> changes are immediately suitable for being proposed in our usual workflow,
> but I'm not the person who will be approving the changes, so I won't be
> specific about them.
>
> I am maintainer of the GTK Implode activity, but your changes are for the
> Sugarizer version.
>
> On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 02:03:05AM +0530, MR. OPTIMIST wrote:
> > Hello James Cameron sir,
> >          Thanks for your feedback. I agree with you that sugar is an
> > educational  platform and it does not look like flooding things on the
> internet
> > but user experience plays a vital role in any of the platforms be it
> commercial
> > or non profitable. Just a simple question: will you use a phone with no
> broken
> > or no display, Same is user experience. So if we can improve, why
> shouldn't we
> > improve ?
> >
> > Also I would be thankful if you kindly let me know which of the proposed
> > changes seems to reasonable So that I can further proceed with further
> > contribution.
> > Proposed document link:-[1]click me to open
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 1:29 AM James Cameron <[2]qu...@laptop.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >     Some of the changes proposed seem reasonable, but they aren't in the
> right
> >     form for review; they need to be pull requests against the
> appropriate
> >     repository.
> >
> >     I don't think we're using the older design review committee process
> any
> >     longer, and it should not be revived.  The pull request review
> process is
> >     sufficient.  In the case of Sugarizer, that's the process that
> Lionel has
> >     preferred.
> >
> >     However, as someone who works in science research, the proposal does
> not
> >     seem to have been researched, but is rather a collection of ideas
> that
> >     would be suitable for changing Sugarizer using A/B testing for the
> goal of
> >     increasing engagement and selling advertising.  Neither of these are
> >     intended, it's an educational project.  Sugar and Sugarizer don't
> have to
> >     look like everything else on the internet, and starting with that
> premise
> >     is an error.
> >
> >     On Mon, Mar 13, 2023 at 04:35:27PM +0530, MR. OPTIMIST wrote:
> >     > Thanks Alex Sir,
> >     >                         Your response to email is very much
> appreciated.
> >     Sorry
> >     > for the late reply.
> >     >
> >     > I love to mention that I have used sugarizer for many days and I
> also
> >     know that
> >     > its UI has been designed with the vision that it's gonna be used by
> >     childrens.
> >     > My point is that sugarizer was developed back in 2013 and the
> internet
> >     > revolution at the time was very less in comparison to 2023. The UI
> and Ux
> >     terms
> >     > were not that considerable at that time and everyone didn't had
> access to
> >     the
> >     > mobile phones and internet, But as of now in 2023 the childrens
> from 1 or
> >     even
> >     > less than that start using technical devices and the UX is what
> first
> >     thing
> >     > that they interact with like games and other applications.So the
> UI of
> >     > sugarizer is not matching with the need of today's generation which
> >     reduces the
> >     > user interest (research) to use the platform. So my point is we
> can work
> >     to
> >     > enhance its UI to meet today's need and increase the interaction
> time of
> >     the
> >     > users of our product.
> >     >
> >     > Considering my skills, I'm a second year engineering student and a
> self
> >     > learner, I have done multiple projects on AI based applications and
> >     developed 2
> >     > websites as of now. To authenticate my words hereby i have listed
> all my
> >     > projects in my github account and link of my github account is:-
> >     > [1] [3]https://www.github/Anujverma89
> >     >
> >     > Considering what part of the product and UI can be modified to
> give new
> >     user
> >     > experience, I have done research and explained it in the given pdf
> you
> >     can view
> >     > it thoroughly.
> >     > Here is the link :-
> >     > [2]Click me to open !!
> >     >
> >     > Your suggestions on changeable topics(UI) will be highly
> appreciated !!
> >     > Thank You..
> >     >
> >     > On Sat, Mar 11, 2023 at 12:18 AM Alex Perez <[3][4]
> ape...@alexperez.com>
> >     wrote:
> >     >
> >     >     Anuj,
> >     >
> >     >     I appreciate your enthusiasm, and welcome. Before any UI
> re-design
> >     would be
> >     >     considered, we would require detailed written analysis of what
> the
> >     goals
> >     >     are for such a re-design, what's "wrong" with the current
> design, and
> >     what
> >     >     your qualifications are for making what are largely subjective
> >     changes.
> >     >     While everyone has opinions on UI design, engineers are often
> >     infamous for
> >     >     designing awful user interfaces. Please share with us what
> sorts
> >     >     qualifications you possess that would qualify you to make UI
> design
> >     changes
> >     >     to Sugar/Sugarizer.
> >     >
> >     >     Have you ever used Sugar for more than a few hours, or a day?
> If so,
> >     which
> >     >     elements do you feel should be changed? If you have not used
> Sugar
> >     >     extensively, I would argue that you likely lack sufficient
> experience
> >     to
> >     >     propose such changes.
> >     >
> >     >     The Sugar/Sugarizer UI was primarily designed for children of a
> >     specific
> >     >     age range. Almost all design decisions stem from that basic
> premise.
> >     Have
> >     >     you considered this?
> >     >
> >     >     Regards,
> >     >     Alex Perez
> >     >
> >     >     MR. OPTIMIST wrote on 3/10/23 10:24 AM:
> >     >
> >     >         Hello everyone !
> >     >                          I am Anuj Verma from Maharashtra, India
> majoring
> >     in
> >     >         computer science and engineering.  I have worked in
> >     multiple projects
> >     >         and web applications including AI projects.
> >     >         I have checked the sugarizer, it's pretty good but I
> believe it's
> >     UI
> >     >         can be improved. Like we
> >     >         can add links to words as well as icons, we can improve
> icons as
> >     well
> >     >         which is less user friendly(in my opinion).I have
> experience of
> >     working
> >     >         with many projects but have not worked on open source yet.
> I'm
> >     >         writing to seek further comments and be open to
> constructive
> >     feedback
> >     >         and criticism. Your response to this mail will be highly
> >     appreciated.
> >     >
> >     > References:
> >     >
> >     > [1] [5]https://www.github/Anujverma89
> >     > [2] [6]https://docs.google.com/document/d/
> >     1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing
> >     > [3] mailto:[7]ape...@alexperez.com
> >
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> >
> > [1]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing
> > [2] mailto:qu...@laptop.org
> > [3] https://www.github/Anujverma89
> > [4] mailto:ape...@alexperez.com
> > [5] https://www.github/Anujverma89
> > [6]
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OwG09QhO8nHJqQmccXhI2sKYx5LnEGaEVoW5rv5BN5Q/edit?usp=sharing
> > [7] mailto:ape...@alexperez.com
> > [8] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
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> > [10] mailto:Sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org
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