On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 3:59 PM, Eduardo H. Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/9/19 C. Scott Ananian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Eduardo H. Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If you accept that tags can sometimes be ordered, so that a/b is >> different than b/a (although both will show up on searches for 'a' and >> 'b'), then this starts looking more and more like a way to view >> filesystems as well, for those old enough to want to do that. > > I don't follow this. Thinking in Journal terms, where currently the > only access is through the search box, you could search for "olpc > sugarlabs" to see your "olpc-sugar" e-mails, or "olpc" to see all > which fit under "olpc", i.e. > "olpc-fedora"+"olpc-sugarlabs"+"olpc-sugar". > A search which doesn't work if you follow the containerization way of > directories, would be if you searched just for "sugarlabs" . This > would give you "olpc-sugarlabs" results, but also would find > "sugarlabs" tagged entries which didn't belong to the "olpc-" root > (like a logo of Sugarlabs, or some document about it).
My example might not have been the best, but independent tags start having real problems when I have a lot of tags and many of the tags are duplicated. Some more examples: * "jill/joe" might be what jill thinks of joe, while "joe/jill" might be what joe thinks of jill. * "techsquares/lists" is email relating to the mailing lists I maintain for tech-squares, while "lists" contains all my subscription information for mailing lists I belong to, and "lists/techsquares" is thus my own mailman login for the techsquares list (which I'm on, as well as maintain). * The total list of tags in my gmail instance is very large! But the top-level list could be much smaller if I could order them hierarchically. > So I agree that some kind of containerization is needed, but not in > the form of a/b being different than b/a, but by using "virtual > folders" or "saved searches" which would effectively act as virtual > folders, with specific tags, search terms, object types, even a period > of time if you wished. I think this is a separate functionality. This lets me take my 'techsquares/lists subscribe-requests' search and turn it into a top level tag. Containerization is meant to prevent all tags from becoming top level. >> Rather than having two separate views for 'hierarchy' and 'journal', >> this unifies them so achieve a more consistent and "growable" >> interface: you don't have to discard everything you know and learn a >> new metaphor and interface when you start to use 'folders'. > > I hope, like I said above, that "virtual folders" or "saved searches" > (they're the same, just differently named) would replace "static > folders". They're complimentary. If you look at [[Olpcfs]], there's a way to navigate 'tag space' and even 'search space' as if it were a directory. Ordered tags are a way to navigate directory space as if it were a tag soup. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) _______________________________________________ Sugar mailing list Sugar@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar