On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Martin Dengler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 12:21:23PM +0200, Tomeu Vizoso wrote: >> have we reached any consensus on [alt-tabbing to the Journal]? > > No, based on http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6251 > >> Perhaps someone that cares about changing the current behavior could >> do a summary of the arguments on each side? > > *Perhaps* there are only two opposing views; I am biased but will > attempt to summarize the pro (removing-from-alt-tab-list) and the > con (keep-it-as-is-now) views: > > Pro: > > 1. One never wants to Alt-Tab to the journal > 2. there is a dedicated key for getting to it > 3. the journal should be treated more like a zoom level ("lower" than > the home view). > 4. Unnecessarily makes itself the active activity when focused, so now > the Activity/F4 key as well as the search key are dedicated to it. > > Cons: > 1. One sometimes wants to Alt-Tab to the journal > 2. The journal is positioned like an activity in the Frame and UI
You missed one of my biggest reservations in the cons: 3. The Journal wouldn't appear beneath the XO at boot. It's important to me that the Journal be one click (yes, click; not just keystroke) away when the child boots the laptop. The current activity gets positioned here under the XO, so in the current paradigm this happens implicitly. I suppose you could argue that the Journal still gets shown here if no activities are open at all, but then we're special casing it a bit. There may be other ideas for exposing the Journal in Home as well, but nothing brought up so far as really dealt with this dilemma. Also: 4. The zoom level metaphor is specifically meant to convey the idea of physical spaces. In the top 3, we're looking out at a plane with people spread across it. In the bottom one (activity), we're zoomed in "onto our desk", so to speak, with a single activity taking over the entire screen. The Journal, as a fullscreen UI akin to an activity, felt more at home in this space. Making the Journal a "zoom level" doesn't really make sense in the metaphor. You might still argue it's a "different kind of space", but it doesn't seem to be a point (or "level") on the axis already defined. I'll just toss one more idea out there, for argument's sake. The Journal, as a "place for storing things", might actually be related to a device instead (since it's UI may be the same or similar to that for USB/SD/etc.). We could put it down there to meaningfully distinguish it. This still leaves problem 3, of course. - Eben > I personally respond to the cons as follows: > > 1. When? Nobody's cited examples where it's more desirable to use > Alt-Tab than the dedicated key. > > 2. > a) Frame positioning can be changed - there are two proposals and one > with a mockup that synchronizes the keyboard layout with the frame > layout: > > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Image:Activity_management_journal_core.jpeg > > b) I don't know what's meant by > "positioned like an activity in the . . . UI" - it seems quite > distinct and more like another zoom level to me, and the journal is > never launched like other activities are (neither from Home, Mesh, > Neighborhood zoom levels, nor resumed from itself). > > >> Thanks, >> >> Tomeu > > Martin > > _______________________________________________ > Sugar mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar > > _______________________________________________ Sugar mailing list [email protected] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
