Here are a few more details: We tried a Fedora 9 LiveCD also and it never fully booted.
The TinyLinux we used was Puppy Linux. It was remarkably faster then Fedora and Ubuntu. My notes and a link to Walter's notes are here: http://schoolkey.net/blog/2008/10/04/sugar-pups Thanks, Caroline On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Walter Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > CCing the Sugar list. > > It seems that one of the problems we will be encountering with generic > spins is footprint. Even a standard Ubuntu without Sugar was seeming > too fat to load from a LiveCD on a Pentium 4 with 256K of DRAM. > Although we didn't try it, I expect Fedora would present similar > challenges. I don't know how feasible it is to make a lean Fedora for > these use cases: Maybe the subset of packages we grab for the OLPC > image only. I defer to the magic that Dennis and Greg can yield. > Meanwhile, it is probably worth looking at some of the purposefully > small distros, such as TinyLinux, to see how bloated they get when we > build Sugar on top of them. It may be a good interim-term solution. > > -walter > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Caroline Meeks > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, I'm absolutely willing to test any and all USB work! I have several > > test computers at home and when we get something that works on everything > > here I can go into Shaw any Friday morning. > > > > Thank you for your help. > > > > Caroline > > > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 12:18 PM, David Farning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Yes, the Sugar spin is really an early beta. The engineers at Redhat > were > >> still working on it Thursday night to get it ready for you and another > >> Boston area deployment to test. > >> > >> Are you willing to try again this Friday? We can leverage your > >> willingness to test the spin as an incentive for the Redhat engineers to > >> improve the spin for another release later this week. > >> > >> thanks > >> david > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Caroline Meeks > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> > >>> hmm new sugar-spin did not boot my home 4GB Pentium 4 successfully. So > >>> it may not be ready for prime time yet. > >>> > >>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Caroline Meeks > >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Cool, I have a Fedora CD and i also just burned the new sugar-spin. > >>>> > >>>> I have bootable USBs of other things. > >>>> > >>>> So I think we will have the tools we need for diagnosis. > >>>> > >>>> See you soon. > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Walter Bender < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I recommend the Fedora CD for today. If I get a chance, I'll try to > >>>>> make a LiveUSB of the same image as well. > >>>>> > >>>>> -walter > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Caroline Meeks > >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> > Hi David, > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Any luck with the USB? How is it going? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Walter and I will be at the school today and we will try the Fedora > >>>>> > CDs and > >>>>> > the joyride CD. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Anythign else you want us to try while we are there? > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Thanks, > >>>>> > Caroline > >>>>> > > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:17 PM, David Farning > >>>>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> > wrote: > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Caroline Meeks > >>>>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Hi David, > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Since I don't have an exact duplicate of the machine here, > Friday's > >>>>> >>> trip > >>>>> >>> will be devoted to figuring out the answers to your questions. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Let me test my understanding. Are these statements true? - > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> The XO hardware only has 256MB of RAM so in theory Sugar should > >>>>> >>> work on > >>>>> >>> a Pentium 4 with 256MB RAM > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> This is not necessarily true. The xo runs a heavily modified > >>>>> >> version of > >>>>> >> Fedora. We are putting Sugar on top of stock Fedora, Debian, and > >>>>> >> Ubuntu > >>>>> >> distributions. The trade off is engineering time vs. size. It > take > >>>>> >> a > >>>>> >> tremendous amount of engineering time to maintain a modified > >>>>> >> distribution. > >>>>> >> By using stock distributions as our base we greatly reduce the > >>>>> >> effort needed > >>>>> >> to push Sugar through the distribution channels. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> The JoyRide live CD you were giving out at the conference will > >>>>> >>> likely not > >>>>> >>> work unless there is more then 300MB of RAM > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> I am not sure of the specific needs of the version of Sugar we > >>>>> >> distributed. Rather then try to determine if a older CD works, > >>>>> >> let's see if > >>>>> >> stock fedora, ubuntu and debian work on your equipment. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Let me know what information you'd like me to collect on Friday. > >>>>> >>> Here > >>>>> >>> are my thoughts. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Goal 1 - See if we can get Sugar to run stable on the Shaw > Computer > >>>>> >>> Lab > >>>>> >>> computers. Sounds like I can probably just burn a bunch of CDs > >>>>> >>> and use > >>>>> >>> those. What do you want me to test? > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> The distributions listed on this page: > >>>>> >>> http://www.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems > >>>>> >>> Are the various ones for different Linux Distros full system or > are > >>>>> >>> they > >>>>> >>> just the files you need to add Sugar to an existing Linux > install? > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Fedora This one? http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora i686 - > Live > >>>>> >>> CD > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Yes, the live cd would be the place to start. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> 6.3. x86 Specifics for Fedora > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> This section covers specific information about Fedora and the x86 > >>>>> >> hardware > >>>>> >> platform. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> 6.3.1. Hardware requirements for x86 > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> In order to use specific features of Fedora 9 during or after > >>>>> >> installation, you may need to know details of other hardware > >>>>> >> components such > >>>>> >> as video and network cards. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> 6.3.1.1. Processor and memory > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> The following CPU specifications are stated in terms of Intel > >>>>> >> processors. > >>>>> >> Other processors, such as those from AMD, Cyrix, and VIA that are > >>>>> >> compatible > >>>>> >> with and equivalent to the following Intel processors, may also be > >>>>> >> used with > >>>>> >> Fedora. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Fedora 9 requires an Intel Pentium or better processor, and is > >>>>> >> optimized > >>>>> >> for Pentium 4 and later processors. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Recommended for text-mode: 200 MHz Pentium-class or better. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Recommended for graphical: 400 MHz Pentium II or better. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Minimum RAM for text-mode: 128MiB. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Minimum RAM for graphical: 192MiB. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Recommended RAM for graphical: 256MiB. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> According to the release notes Fedora should work with 256MB > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Ubuntu - http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Yes again. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> UbuntuMobile - Where is the best place to get an iso? > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > http://linux.softpedia.com/get/System/Operating-Systems/Other/Ubuntu-MID-39213.shtml > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> For now let's forget about Gnome Mobile. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Sugar - Where can I get an iso for a live CD that will has a > chance > >>>>> >>> of > >>>>> >>> working on 256MB of RAM? Should I use any of these? > >>>>> >>> http://dev.laptop.org/pub/livebackupcd/ > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >> I will send you links to newer Live CD by Thursday evening. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Goal 2 - Demoing Sugar capability to the Shaw School Staff. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> It turns out the technology teacher Marian is out this Friday so > >>>>> >>> the goal > >>>>> >>> of showing the collaborative features maybe next week. However, > >>>>> >>> doing a > >>>>> >>> demo for adults on a wired network shouldn't be that hard right? > Is > >>>>> >>> there > >>>>> >>> some Jabber server that adults who own XOs are using that we > could > >>>>> >>> use for > >>>>> >>> the demo? > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> I was asked at least ten times about the availability of Jabber > >>>>> >> servers > >>>>> >> for test purposes at Openminds. As a result, I am looking into > >>>>> >> setting up a > >>>>> >> jabber server so each community of Sugar users will have access to > a > >>>>> >> community specific server. Once that is in place it should not be > >>>>> >> too hard > >>>>> >> to set a batch of USB keys or Live CDs to go to that server by > >>>>> >> default. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Goal 3 - Testing speed and durability of Sugar on a USB Key. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> I can do initial testing of that from here. We don't have to do > >>>>> >>> that at > >>>>> >>> the Shaw but if we had a USB that would be good. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> This would be of great value to our developers. > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Thanks! > >>>>> >>> Caroline > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Would you be interested in moving this conversation to our > mailing > >>>>> >> list > >>>>> >> at [EMAIL PROTECTED] so we can publicly archive this > >>>>> >> conversation. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> Thanks > >>>>> >> david > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > -- > >>>>> > Caroline Meeks > >>>>> > Solution Grove > >>>>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> > > >>>>> > 617-500-3488 - Office > >>>>> > 505-213-3268 - Fax > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Walter Bender > >>>>> Sugar Labs > >>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Caroline Meeks > >>>> Solution Grove > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> > >>>> 617-500-3488 - Office > >>>> 505-213-3268 - Fax > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Caroline Meeks > >>> Solution Grove > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>> 617-500-3488 - Office > >>> 505-213-3268 - Fax > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Caroline Meeks > > Solution Grove > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > 617-500-3488 - Office > > 505-213-3268 - Fax > > > > > > -- > Walter Bender > Sugar Labs > http://www.sugarlabs.org > -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax
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