Jecel Assumpcao Jr writes: > Holger Levsen wrote: >> IIRC/IIUC this is one aspect why the ftpmasters didnt accept >> it in main. More generally said, (IIRC) it's because the >> impossibility to bootstrap etoys. > > Is the subject correct? I mean I know we are talking about a directory > called "non-free" but is there anyone out there that after what has been > said still doesn't accept etoys as Free Software?
I'm not fully convinced. It is apparently free of horrible legal problems, but it's not in a reasonable form for modification. The freedom is not fully usable in any reasonable way. >> Even though the etoys developers "don't do it" and the stateful VM >> (or rather patches to it) is/are the prefered form of modification. > > Note that several Smalltalks can be built entirely from a set of text > files: Self, GNU Smalltalk, Slate, Little Smalltalk and others. There is > no technical difficulty. The solution should be obvious: pick any one of those Smalltalks, and port something to it. Use standard audio and image formats for the source-free multimedia blobs. Your choices: A. Port the code that generates the Squeak VM executable. Port any code needed to create a VM. Make VM creation part of the build process. BTW, this really should be set up to allow cross-compiling, but I admit that lots of craptastic software fails to meet this higher standard. B. Port just Etoys, eliminating the need for Squeak. This might be more a matter of adding multimedia stuff to a non-Squeak Smalltalk. > But as you said, the people who can do it don't > have any reason to do so. This leads us to the situation where there is > a group of people who want to do something which they feel would be very > important but they can't do it themselves and another group that could > do it but are busy with other things. It is very easy for discussions to > get heated under such circumstances. It's not merely a matter of not being "people who can do it". It's more a problem of "why should we do your work?". When you want to join a group, you need to follow the customs and not expect others to pick up your slack. _______________________________________________ Sugar mailing list [email protected] http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/sugar
