Dear all, thank you for your comments on the energy model in SUMO. I am just internally answering my colleague Jan to his questions but think that you could be interested in some of my observations.
Despite bugs mentioned by Burford, their correction (that is certainly important in SUMO) will only slightly impacts our energy results for these reasons: 1. Change of Rotational Energy << Change of Kinetic Energy since the internal moment of inertial << mass of the vehicle (for example for our simulated trolleybus J_int = 0.03*mass) 2. The calculation of the Curvature Energy Loss is applicated only 3 times per trolleybus No. 13 line circulation in simulation without surrounding traffic. The reason for such behavior is that the diff of route angle is not zero only at three time-steps of the simulation from total ca 5k. 3. Fortunately we use the default SUMO length 1 s of the time-step and therefore, the confusion of power [W] vs energy [Ws] vanishes. (It counts both for the bug in the constat power of aux system calculation and for the order logic of energy/power calculations in SUMO's emission/energy model). Finally, the paper [ I. Sagaama, A. Kchiche, W. Trojet and F. Kamoun, "Proposal of More Accurate Energy Model of Electric Vehicle For SUMO] you mentioned proposes three changes for SUMO model b. calculation of efficiency as \eta_bat*\eta_inv*\eta_mot I don't understand the difference between such calculation in comparison with using only one constant eta, that can be precalculated of course using the above-mentioned formula. Maybe in our case would be interesting to consider different values for the efficiency of propulsion using energy from battery (battery->inverter->motor) and from overhead wire (owhd wire -> inverter -> motor) but again fortunately these values are almost the same in practice. a. using the proposed modified equation for calculation of the energy of auxiliary drives corresponds to the common approach in SUMO if the ambient temperature is 20°C c. the modification of efficiency of regenerative breaking is already integrated into the SUMO https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/blob/4358260686c4a331c75bce1b5d7702e3eda5cdde/src/utils/emissions/HelpersEnergy.cpp#L132 . Best, Jakub On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 11:55 PM Jan Přikryl <prik...@fd.cvut.cz> wrote: > Dear Joerg, > > I am just curious: Do you have (or will you have) any comparison with > measurements of real vehicles in real traffic? We are namely using the > original HelpersEnergy subsystem to compute energy flows in the ElecHybrid > device and, to be sure, we have tried to validate the outputs of SUMO > against telemetry that we have from trolleybuses -- and, given the natural > variance of the data that you get from such a vehicle in real traffic > (different saloon occupation and hence different mass, different traffic > conditions, different daily temperatures resulting in heavy variations in > auxiliary power consumption and so on) and given that for the modelled > vehicle you get at least three different sets of drag and resistance > parameters (one set provided by the manufacturer of the vehicle, a second > set from the provider of the chassis, and the third one from the vehicle > operator), we were quite happy with the results even with the current > implementation (the only change is that we try to limit the acceleration of > a vehicle based on its power limits). > > On the other hand, there is a paper from 2018 ( > https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8450371) that reports a 23-29% > difference > in energy consumption compared to a test with a real electric vehicle. I > did not read it yet, I just came across it recently. > > That leaves me wondering whether our comparison is correct and whether we > should not crosscheck it one more time... > > Jan > > On Thu, 15 Oct 2020, at 10:23 PM, joerg.schwei...@unibo.it wrote: > > Thanks Michael for putting your hands on this, and sorry it took time to > > find the file. > > > > It has been quite crucial for the project as the determination of the > > energy consumption has been the main goal. > > > > Hope it gets fixed soon. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Joerg > > > > > > On 15/10/20 21:53, Michael Behrisch wrote: > > > Hi, > > > thanks for the report and sorry for the delay. Unfortunately we have > > > several places in the code which calculate energies. I suppose you are > > > referring to HelpersEnergy::compute > > > > https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/blob/master/src/utils/emissions/HelpersEnergy.cpp#L57 > > > ? > > > This function seems to have some problems indeed not only the ones you > > > mention but in total it should return power and not energy because the > > > time scaling is done outside the function when used as an emission > > > model. For the battery device however energy is expected. Sorry for the > > > hassle, it is now tracked here: > https://github.com/eclipse/sumo/issues/7695 > > > > > > Thanks again for finding out! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Michael > > > > > > Am 11.10.20 um 06:40 schrieb Burford Furman: > > >> Hello, > > >> > > >> We are running SUMO ver 1.6.0 under Windows 10, and we just discovered > > >> that the SUMO source code is calculating the Rotational Kinetic > Energy, > > >> the Curvature Energy Loss, and the Constant Auxiliary Energy Demand > > >> incorrectly. The SUMO documentation lists the correct equations, but > for > > >> some reason the source code is not correct in ver 1.6.0. Our findings > > >> are summarized below: > > >> > > >> image.png > > >> > > >> image.png > > >> > > >> Thank you. > > >> > > >> Burford Furman > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > ************************************************************************************ > > >> Burford J. Furman > > >> Professor > > >> Department of Mechanical Engineering > > >> San Jose State University > > >> One Washington Square > > >> San Jose, CA 95192-0087 > > >> Phone: (408) 924-3817 Email: burford.fur...@sjsu.edu > > >> <mailto:burford.fur...@sjsu.edu> > > >> Web page: http://www.sjsu.edu/people/burford.furman/ > > >> <http://www.engr.sjsu.edu/bjfurman/> > > >> > ************************************************************************************ > > >> "We must remember that intelligence is not enough. Intelligence plus > > >> character--that is the goal of true education." - Dr. Martin Luther > King > > >> Jr., 1947 > > >> > > >> "/Instrumental or mechanical science > > >> is the noblest and above all others, the most useful.../" - Leonardo > da > > >> Vinci > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> sumo-dev mailing list > > >> sumo-dev@eclipse.org > > >> To unsubscribe from this list, visit > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-dev > > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > sumo-dev mailing list > > sumo-dev@eclipse.org > > To unsubscribe from this list, visit > > https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/sumo-dev > > > > -- > Jan Přikryl > prik...@fd.cvut.cz >
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