Dear, Can we know the traffic flow of each link in the road network without using any detectors? Could you give me some suggestions?
with best regards, On Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 4:29 PM Jakob Erdmann <[email protected]> wrote: > yes. You can use getJamLengthMeters. > > 2018-08-25 12:38 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon <[email protected]>: > >> Dear, >> >> In my case, I want to get the queue length of the whole edge by using >> lane area detectors on each lane. Can I use the getJamLengthMeters? >> Could you give me some suggestions. >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 9:26 PM Jakob Erdmann <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> getLastStepVehicleNumber(id) returns the number of vehicles that were on >>> the detector in the previous simulation step. >>> nVehEntered holds the number of vehicles that entered the detector in >>> the configured aggregation interval. >>> The values diverge if >>> - the aggregation interval differs from 1s >>> - vehicles enter and leave the detector in the same simulation step. >>> >>> regards, >>> Jakob >>> >>> 2018-08-20 12:20 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Dear, >>>> >>>> >>>> In my case, I want to get the number of vehicles. In that case, may I >>>> know for some results of traci.lanearea.getLastStepVehicleNumber(id) and >>>> nVehEntered >>>> from ouput file of detector. These results are same or not? Can I use >>>> nVehEntered instead of traci method as offline mode. >>>> >>>> Thank you in advance. >>>> >>>> with best regards, >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Ei Ei Mon <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you. I will try it. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 19 Aug 2561 at 02:31 Jakob Erdmann <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> traci.simulation.convert2D(edgeID, offset, laneIndex, toGeo). >>>>>> >>>>>> offset = 0 gives you the start of the lane >>>>>> toGeo = true gives lon, lat (otherwise network coordinates x, y are >>>>>> returned). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2018-08-18 18:11 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In my case, I want to get the startPos of edge or lane. I cannot >>>>>>> find the traci methods to get startPos of edge or lane. Could you give >>>>>>> me >>>>>>> some suggestions? >>>>>>> Thank you in advance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> with best regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Ei Ei Mon <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> oh, I see. Thank you. I will try it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Jakob Erdmann < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can let multiple detectors write to the same file. Their >>>>>>>>> outputs are still distinguishable by the detector id in the data >>>>>>>>> elements. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2018-08-18 11:46 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear , >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In my simulation, it has to write too many output files of e2 >>>>>>>>>> detectors . Now, I got the following error: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Error: Could not build output file >>>>>>>>>> 'output/e2Detector_L10256_1_6.txt' (Too many open files). >>>>>>>>>> Loading of additional-files failed. >>>>>>>>>> Quitting (on error). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> How should I fix it? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 18, 2018 at 12:38 PM, Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> thanks for your time. I will try it again. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Jakob Erdmann < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the value of SUMO_HOME cannot be a list of directories as it is >>>>>>>>>>>> in your case. >>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure it points to the directory that contains the 'tools' >>>>>>>>>>>> folder. >>>>>>>>>>>> Explanation: the traci script looks for traci in >>>>>>>>>>>> $SUMO_HOME/tools >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-08-17 11:28 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I got the unexpected error: No module named traci. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I set up the sumo path as the following: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PATH=$PATH:$HOME/ .local/bin:$HOME/bin >>>>>>>>>>>>> export SUMO_HOME=/usr/lib/sumo:/usr/share/sumo >>>>>>>>>>>>> export PATH=/usr/sbin:$PATH >>>>>>>>>>>>> export PATH=$SUMO_HOME/bin:$PATH:$SUMO_HOME/tools:$PATH >>>>>>>>>>>>> export PATH >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I changed sumo version a few days ago. How can I fix it? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 3:03 PM, Jakob Erdmann < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your traci script is still using an old version of SUMO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please update the value of SUMO_HOME to point to the new >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-08-10 12:58 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to your suggestion, I used the latest development >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of SUMO.Currently, I got the following error. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *traci.exceptions.TraCIException: Get Edge Variable: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unsupported variable 0x52 specified * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you give some suggestions? Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 9 Aug 2561 at 20:45 Jakob Erdmann < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This function is only available in the latest development >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version. You can get it here: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Downloads#SUMO_-_Latest_Development_Version >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jakob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-08-09 14:05 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I use traci.edge.getLaneNumber(edgeID), I got the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following error. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AttributeError: EdgeDomain instance has no attribute >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'getLaneNumber' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I fix it? Thank you in advance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Jakob Erdmann < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've run my own test and looked at the code again: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The way sumo is currently implemented you will never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see a duplicate ID. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is because the detectors in SUMO effectivly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detect only the center line of a vehicle rather than its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole width. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even during a continuous lane change, the vehicle's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> center line is always just on one lane or the other. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other vehicles coming from behind will perceive the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole width but detectors do not. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jakob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-08-03 7:00 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> May I ask again for my problem. Now I use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --step-length and --lanechange.duration together. By >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --lanechange.duration option, I think I can get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> duplicate vehicle ids that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use lane changing on two neighboring lanes. Is it making >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense? Now I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't get any duplicate ids. It should be or not? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 2:43 PM, Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. I will check with sublane model. In my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case, I would like to detect the duplicate vehicle ids >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from lane area >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detectors at the same time step. According to your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suggestions, I think I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can detect the ids from detectors on two neighboring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lanes. I will try it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 1:47 AM, Jakob Erdmann < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Step-length does not make a difference in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default model because lane-changes are instantaneous >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regardless of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> step-length. This means you will never see the vehicle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on two neighboring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detectors in the same time step. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To get continuous lane changes you can enable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another model: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Simulation/SublaneModel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you need the double detection directly for your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project or are they a means to accomplish something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else? In that case >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there may be other ways to accomplish your objective. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-08-01 13:15 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, dear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I checked with different values for --step-length >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like 0.1, 0.01, 0.001. But I don't get duplicate ids. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that we can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get duplicate vehicle ids because some vehicles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changed lanes in gui what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I saw. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How should I check it? Thank you in advance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 9:47 PM, Jakob Erdmann < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When a vehicle changes lanes it is only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> registered on the new lane in that time step. To >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> register lane changes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using lanearea detectors you need to monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple steps. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-07-31 15:18 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for your reply. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my case, when I check simulation gui I saw >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some vehicles change their lanes. But for that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case, when I use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traci.lanearea.getLastStepVehicleIDs(), I got no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> duplicate vehicle ids from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all lanes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How should I check? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2561 at 17:21 Jakob Erdmann < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) use sumo option --step-length SECONDS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) what kind of duplication are you interested >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in? Please explain with an example. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-07-31 11:30 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you, dear. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, I would like to know how to change the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simulation time step in SUMO. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my case, I set up lane area (e2) and MeMe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (e3) detectors in the same area. For that case, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> set up lane area >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> detectors on all lanes to cover for all lanes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In this case, I would like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to check the duplicate vehicle ids from tracking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the lane area detectors. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Could you give any suggestions? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you in advance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with best regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Jakob Erdmann >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SUMO automatically tracks accidents. See >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Simulation/Safety#Collisions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the latest development verion of SUMO ( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/Downloads#SUMO_-_Latest_Development_Version) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can retrieve accident information by calling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traci.simulation.getCollidingVehiclesIDList ( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://sumo.dlr.de/wiki/ChangeLog#Enhancements >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jakob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2018-07-23 14:15 GMT+02:00 Ei Ei Mon < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to get some suggestions. In my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case, I would like to detect the car accident >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> case on the lane by using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lane area detectors. Which methods are the most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suitable for that by using >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> traci? 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