Hello All:

I've been enjoying the discussion on the delay of sunset due to refraction.
Somewhere I heard that  at mid latitudes this is about three minutes.  Can
anyone confirm this?

Here is the reason I ask.  On the outer edge of my horiz. sundials I engrave
little sunrises and sunsets which mark the time and direction of sunrise and
sunset on the equinoxes and solstices.  Not knowing how to calculate the
placement of the engravings with math and formulas, I used a simpler (for
me) technique.

Before starting I already knew that the sun should set due west on the
equinox.  To find out where the sun rises and sets on the solstices I first
obtained U S Naval Observatory printouts of the times of sunrises and sets
and then plotted these times onto the sundial face.  This automatically
gives the directions. ( I use the average times over several years as the
time of rise and sets vary by a couple of minutes each year).

A problem arose, however, when I plotted the equinoxes. The direction of the
rises and sets was a several degrees SOUTH of due east and due west!

Could this be that in theory the sun sets due west on the equinox (as it
would if the earth had no atmosphere) but in reality is sets slightly south
of due west due to refraction, and would this explain the time delay?  This
has really bothered me, because I want my dials to be correct.(my dials are
corrected for longitude and I corected the observatory times with the EOT)  

Please comment on this somebody!

John Carmichael

thanks

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