Gordon,

>Roger, thank you for your post.  The Shadow Sharpener being a pinhole
camera,
>why not replace the gnomon with a pinhole?  One then could center a circle
on
>the image and determine the time from its position. 

Some years ago, when thinking about heliochronometers, I realized that the
sun-
sighting element of such a device could be a pinhole compound telescope. 
(I was
 avoiding the use of refractive and/or reflective "glass" elements, as part
of the 
game.)  This would be placed in an equatorial mounting with graduated
hour-circle 
and declination sector.  The symmetry of this sighting system removes a
number 
of possible sources of error.  The whole rig could be much more compact
than the 
"giant" concept that triggered this thread.  I'll attach a GIF image of
such a scope.
<pin-htel.gif> --- 1627 bytes.

In the sketch: O, the objective, is a plate with central pinhole sized to
diametrically 
subtend a couple of arc minutes at distance Lo, the primary "focal length."
  T is a 
translucent target plate, (frosted glass, even a taut sheet of fairly thin
white paper,) 
with concentric circles drawn on it that span the approximately 1/4 degree
radius of 
the sun's disk image, Is.  With the limb viewed against the drawn rings,
eccentricity 
of its position would be manifested by width differences in the narrow gaps
between 
limb and circles.

The eyepiece, or ocular, at e.p. is also a pinhole.  This permits viewing
Is at a distance
Lep, that is much shorter than normal accomodation for most eyes.  Even
with my 
7th-decade presbyopia, this can be 2 to 3 inches for an aperture of a
little less than 
a mm.  A builder had best experiment by viewing a printed page through
various 
diameter holes, to find the optimal aperture to suit him.

The 'scope could be modified to use the primary image cast on an opaque
white target.  
This would be viewed from an eyepiece looking into the tube at an angle
from in front
of the target.  E.g. a slit objective-aperture projected image on a 22.5°
tilted target 
could be viewed from  45° off the primary tube's axis.  The target would be
a series of 
parallel lines with separations to cover a range +/- the 0.5 degrees of
image width.  
The plane of the slit, target-lines and tilts would all be in a common
radius-plane of the 
sun's arc.  The sun's image from the slit would be a bright bar.  (These
modifications 
are what I would have tried first, had I gotten around to making a
prototype.)

Since the whole thing would be enclosed in a tube, light dilution would
have little effect.
A 60 inch long tube with 2 to 3 inch eyepiece length would be equivalent to
a style-to-dial
distance of 100 to 150 feet.  (A primary image about 0.5 inch across.) The
use of the 
pinholes/slit  and diffuse image plane would minimize the danger in viewing
the too 
bright sun.  Even a somewhat fuzzy image can, if symmetrical, be placed
very precisely 
on a symmetrical target.   If anyone should try this, I hope that they'll
let me know how it 
works out for them.

Sciametrically,
Bill Maddux 

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