Patrick powers is correct in noting that the 0.5 degree width of the sun 
(corresponding to 2 minutes of time) creates a shadow penumbra that is 
virtually impossible to read to the second.  But, a sharp edge can be 
achieved by a focusing dial, which creates an crisply defined image of the 
sun, 2 minutes of time wide, with no penumbra.  If the leading, or trailing 
edge of this image is chosen as the indicator, then it would be possible to 
read it to a few seconds, and perhaps to 1 second, on a large dial scale.  
Alignment becomes the limiting factor for such a dial.  A focusing dial that 
is accurate within 60 seconds all day long (and oftern within 30 seconds) can 
be seen at www.precisionsundials.com/renaissance.htm

Bill Gottesman
Burlington, VT


In a message dated 12/20/2001 5:03:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Subj:  accuracy
>  Date:    12/20/2001 5:03:43 AM Eastern Standard Time
>  
>  Greetings to all
>  We all know that the atomic clock has the highest possible resolution, 
while
>  for sundials 2 to 1 minute seems to be the best achievement. I have a
>  feeling 1 second could be obtained considering what follows. ( I consider a
>  second ideal as one can feel it, I mean it is a timespan well related to 
the
>  human body, one second you live, the next you may be dead; it is also
>  somewhat
>  related to the heartbeat)
>  Consider a horizontal sundial whith the 15 degrees hour lines; it is
>  impossible to trace minute lines when keeping usual dimensions for the 
dial.
>  However, if we go far away from the base point of the gnomon, the portion 
of
>  the arc between 2 hours, becomes larger; so imagine we go to where 60 lines
>  can be drawn between two adjacent minute lines and we keep only the top 
part
>  of the line 11h59m59s and try to draw it on the ground related to a very
>  accurate positioning of the local meridian. These data allow also to
>  calculate the height of the gnomon tip. If both dimensions are feasable to
>  realise, we would have the desired accuracy of one second; of course the
>  positioning of the meridian is of paramount importance and probably the 
most
>  difficult to materialise. ( is this a nice subject for a university ?) Of
>  some important influence is the width of  the gnomon. The indication of 
noon
>  time is never accurate because of this width, while the shadow cast for the
>  earlier hours, may be considered as a hairline and is thus more accurate,
>  which means that the morning part of the dial is more accurate if the 
shadow
>  hairline is taken into account for determination of the meridian. So in
>  fact, sundials should have a gap at noon corresponding to the width of the
>  gnomon, and the afternoon part should be calculated in function of the 
right
>  hairline shadow
>  related to a second parallel meridian.
>  Very interested to read your comments
>  Walter

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