Good for you Bob.  I'm glad you joined the List because I'm getting tired of
forwarding you all those e-mails!  You wrote a very nice letter and I'm sure
you will be warmly recieved by the group.  By the way, mixed in with all
those emails was one that said that I have your measuring tape!  Don't worry
I'll get it back to you.

John

John L. Carmichael Jr.
Sundial Sculptures
925 E. Foothills Dr.
Tucson Arizona 85718
USA

Tel: 520-696-1709
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Website: <http://www.sundialsculptures.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Hough" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "sundial_list" <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 7:04 PM
Subject: Analemmatic Sundial Error


> I am joining the sundial mailing list a little late in the discussion, but
> here is the situation.
>
>
>
> Last week my wife and I visited the Flandrau Planetarium to see the very
> nice dial that John Carmicheal did and also to check out the analemmatic
> dial on the sidewalk in front of the building.  The Flandrau analemmatic
> dial features an analemma for the dateline, instead of a straight line.
We
> know that may compensate for the EOT at noon but not during the rest of
the
> day.  But also, I felt that it was out of proportion.  That is to say, the
> summer solstice seemed too close to the ellipse.  I e-mailed John and
> mentioned that I was going to go back and measure it.  John told me about
> the current discussion and that he intended to measure it himself, so we
met
> there today and made the basic measurements together.  We met with Neil
> McSweeney and Rob Vugteveen of the planetarium and David Harvey, the
> original designer.  They were all very congenial and now understand the
> problems and are looking forward to a recommendation for correcting the
> situation.
>
>
>
> John and I are both running our measurements through our design tools.
John
> uses DeltaCad and I use PostScript (although John has convinced me to try
> DeltaCad).  We will post our findings and make recommendations to the
> Flandrau management for correcting the situation.
>
>
>
> Several years ago I was analyzing the analemmetic dial at the US Air Force
> Academy planetarium.  It also has an analemma for a dateline and also has
> the solstices out of proportion.  I discussed the subject with Mickey
> Schmidt, the director of the planetarium, and he said he had contracted an
> architect from Denver to design the dial and assumed it would be correct,
> but found out later on that it had problems.  However, it is brass
imbedded
> into granite and will probably stay that way.
>
>
>
> At that time, to prove to myself that an analemma for a dateline will
> compensate for EOT at noon but not the rest of the day, I wrote a
PostScript
> file that depicts both types of date lines, with shadow lines for two
> different dates, Nov 4 and Jul 26, which are on opposite sides of, and
ends
> of, the analemma.  So, I found my old file and updated it for the
> longitude/latitude of the Flandrau dial.  If you would like to view the
> results, I transferred a PDF file to a special folder on my web site. It
can
> be seen at:
>
>
>
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/houghbob/sundials
>
>
>
> Robert Hough
>
> ShadowMaster
>
> Tucson Arizona
>
> 111W  32N
>
>
>
>
>
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