Hi David,

It is hard to comment on this particular situation without seeing the
problem, but I agree with most of the comments expressed so far, especially
Tony's.

The one new thought that I have that has not been mentioned yet is that I
would take a two step approach. The first thing I would do is focus on
joining the loose piece (if it is actually loose) to the main piece with
high attention to detail and accuracy from a cosmetic/functional
standpoint...then I would worry about backfilling the gap. I have done jobs
in the past where I was trying to "blind glue" a loose piece without
disassembling the whole job, and I have wound up with a big mess due to
applying the volume of material necessary to backfill a gap before I had the
loose piece secured in the desired position.

I would tack it first, then be able to focus my attention on the backfilling
job without having to worry about the positioning of the loose piece.
Silicone is good, but may not fill all of the gaps - but that might not even
matter. Epoxy is good too, and will soak into the porous stone and create a
good bond, but it is typically quite brittle and does not lend itself to
applications where thermal movement is expected...and on a vertical
application could make a mess in the amounts necessary to fill a large void.
Also, the chemical reaction that takes place as epoxy forms its matrix
creates a LOT of heat if a large volume of material is used at once.

Once again, without being able to see the piece, I would use a small amount
of cyanoacrylate or aliphatic wood glue to secure the piece, then look for
something to fill the air gap behind it. If you are worried about this
"backfilling" material running out of any cracks, use silicone. If not, look
into the possibility of using a thin cementitious floor leveling compound or
somesuch material that will have a similiar expansion coefficient as the
stone itself.

Take care and good luck,

Jim Tallman
Sr. Designer
FX Studios
513.829.1888


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Carmichael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: flaking sundial


> Hi David:
>
> I agree with Tony that injection through a hole could cause a hydraulic
> effect that could actually widen the gap.  Also, these glues and silicones
> are so viscous that they probably wouldn't fill the entire gap.
>
> Bonding agents work best when thin coats are applied to both surfaces and
> when pressure is applied until the agent dries.
>
> I know this sounds radical, but I think your best bet would be to
carefully
> make a clean cut or break into the uplifted stone sheet so that it could
be
> removed from the stone. Then it should be fairly easy to coat with
adhesive
> the bottom of the sheet and the top of the stone for rejoining.  I'd press
> the sheet down onto the stone with even pressure using a flat board so the
> sheet doesn't crack and let it dry.  I'd use 50 year silicon from a glue
> gun.
>
> John
>
> John L. Carmichael Jr.
> Sundial Sculptures
> 925 E. Foothills Dr.
> Tucson Arizona 85718
> USA
>
> Tel: 520-696-1709
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Website: <http://www.sundialsculptures.com>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:14 AM
> Subject: flaking sundial
>
>
> > Object - a vertial south sundial of 1700, in a sandstone type of
material.
> > It is 24 inches square.  with carved numerials and hour lines.
> >
> > Went tapped, an area about 12 inches diameter sounds hollow where a thin
> surface area is detached from the backing of the 1.5 inch thich dial.
> >
> > Does anyone know how to secure this loose area to the sound stonework
> behind ?.
> >
> > I quesstimate this loose area is about one eighth of an inch thick.
> >
> > Perhaps maybe drilling a tiny hole, and injecting some bonding agent.
> >
> > It is planned to do this work next year in warm weather.
> >
> > Your help much appreciated.     David.
> >
> >
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