----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Bell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Anselmo Pérez Serrada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: Dial calculation mystery


> On Sat, 7 Jun 2003, [ISO-8859-1] Anselmo Pérez Serrada wrote:
>
> > I think I can help you on this. They use a very elegant method to draw a
> > sundial based on geometrical
> > affinity that traces back to our High School days:
> >
> > 1. Draw two concentrical circles : one of radius r and the other one of
> > radius r*sin(Lat)
> >  2. Now draw a sheaf of  24 equispaced lines from its center as if it
> > were an equatorial dial.
> >  3. These lines intersect the circles at points I' and I'',  II' and
> > II'', and so on up to XXIV' and XXIV''.
> >  4.  Now trace horizontal lines from the inner points and vertical lines
> > from the outer points. Let's call
> > I the point where the lines from I' and I'' intersect, II the point for
> > II' and II'', and so on.
> >  5. If we connect these points we just have the analemmatic ellipse,
> > right? Well, but if we trace lines
> > from the center to these points we get a horizontal dial for that
> > latitude. Isn't that nice?
>
> Very well described, Anselmo!
>
> Everything agrees perfectly with the original article, except you have one
> circle of radius 1 and the other of 1*sin(lat). Now, if I am looking at
> this correctly, that would make the second circle smaller than the first
> (and also avoid the singularityat 0 degrees!) However, is the ratio of the
> two circles' size the same in both constructions? I'll have to draw them
> up, and scale one to match the other...
>
> Dave
> 37.28N 121.97W

Yes, the ratio is the same. The ratio of 1 to sin(lat) is the same as the
ratio of 1/sin(lat) to 1.

But I think Anselmo makes one small error. Yes, the points at step 4 are the
hour marks of an analemmatic dial if, by 'horizontal lines' he means
east-west lines, but to draw a Horizontal Sundial you want to draw
north-south lines from the inner points and east-west ones from the outer
points.
This is because an analemmatic dial's major (longer) axis is east-west,
whereas for a horizontal dial constructed this way the major axis is
north-south.

Chris Lusby Taylor
51.4N 1.3W

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