Hello all,

because of the diameter of the Sun, the shadow of a “nodus” on a gnomon (or the spot of light produced by a hole) has a not negligible dimension and moreover also the lines drawn on the dial  have a certain thickness,  to be seen from a given  distance. 

For this reason often the excessive precision in drawing a sundial does not produce any improvement .

 

From the theoretical point of view however I don't think that  the analemma, calculated with the data (declination and EOT) of a given year,  is more correct than that obtained using mean values on a space of time  multiple of 4 year.

The values of Decl and EOT (in a given day of the year) change slightly and the corresponding points of the analemma changes their place. 

For example in a vertical sundial calculated with Lat. = 46° and  with an orthostyle length =1000 we have that the points of the analemma  move as written below,   in a period  50 year long .

- On September 1 (EOT around =0) :  2.5 mm in horizontal and 25 mm in vertical  ( I send a graph attached to a next message)

- on February 11 (maximum EOT) : 2 mm in horizontal and 12 in vertical 

- on September 22 (Autumn Equinox) : 2 mm in horizontal and 16 in vertical 

So the shift in horizontal is negligible while the vertical one is not (around 3% of the orthostyle) 

 

The EOT is normally used or to draw the curves of the analemma - on which almost always we find the marks  of days in the years (for ex. the beginning of the months) - or to build graphs or tables with which one can obtain the standard time of the clock from a  sundial with Apparent Solar Time.

In this second case is opportune to use mean values, calculated (at 12h) on a space  of time multiple of 4 years.

The same thing is worth for the declination: it is necessary to notice that on some books we may find tables of the Sun’s Declination calculated at 0h, in the period 1975 – 1985 : in this case the error on the true value of Decl can reach, in the next 20-30 years, up to 30-35 primes  

 

Brooke writes: 

Have you done a similar analysis where there are 4 seperate approximations, one for each of the 4 years in a leap year cycle?If this is done isn't the error reduced considerably?

Perhaps a greater precision could be reached,  but I think that the thing would be little practice. 

In fact to read the time we would have to attach to every sundial 4 tables or 4 graphs to find the value of the Eot of that year, etc.  :-)

 

Fer write:  

Declination marks on an EoT curve would be better then date marks for accuracy, however, many times I would prefer date marks or datelines. A dial isn't a precision instrument  in most of the times.
I agree  completely, even if for the not experienced observers the daily lines  must be marked with some dates.

The lines of the zodiacal signs are really Declination lines: who looks at the sundial has to know (if he is interested)  to what days in the year  they correspond. 

 

To replay to Jim Tallman 

The declination lines (as those of the zodiacal signs) have very litle  variations due only to the secular change of the Ecliptic inclination. Their change due to this phenomenon is, in the last 500 years, inferior to the precision with which the sundials were drawn and to the 1500 knowledges. 

In the study of the Roman and Arab sundials the values of the ecliptic inclination of the epoch   are used, but this is no very important !

For example :  

- year 0             23° 41 ' 42" 

- year 1500      23° 30 ' 15" 

- year 2000      23° 26 ' 22" 

- year 2100      23° 25 ' 33" 

The change, in  2000 years, is only of 15 ' 

 

A regard

 

 

 

 

 

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