Dear Baruffi,  

obviously, as also you say,  each of us can calculate his own sundials with the method and the formulas that more he prefers and loves. 

It is therefore possible to consider the instant of the sunset as defined by modern astronomers and to use  both the upper bound  of the solar disk and the refraction as established in the Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac or in the formula of Meeus (correct with 0.01454=sen(50 ') and not with 0.1454    :-)      ) 

 

Different it is however the case of the ancients: I don't think that it is possible, even if it seems opportune and natural, to make the hypothesis that you do and to suppose that  they used the upper bound of the Sun “to calculate” the instant of dawn from which to begin to mark the temporary hours in the sundials. 

Obviously also they saw and knew that the Sun disappears when its superior edge goes under the horizon, but I do not know any proof that they  used this instant as the beginning of the hours in their drawings and plans of sundials. 

 

The fact that, for ignorance or for greater facility of execution, they used a more simplified model of the reality,  can be seen also in all the Roman sundials that were produced ( we think) following the methods of the analemma (or projection of the celestial vault), described very clearly by Vitruvius (De Architectura, liber IX) 

Vitruvius in all his description makes reference to the Sun as to a point, he speaks of single rays that pass for the center, etc..

He  also uses ulterior geometric simplification supposing the ecliptic inclination = 24deg = 360/15, whose construction can be found  in the Euclid’s Elements . 

 

In my opinion is not true what  you assert "there is no proof of the use of the center of the Sun before 900", but it is exactly the contrary , that is "it doesn't exist any proof  that the sundials from around 300 BC, till around  1800 AC, has been calculated considering the instant of the true sunset (upper bound, etc.) and not that of the ideal one, with the Sun taken as punctiform" 

 

For what I know, also today no one calculates the sundials according to your direction.

Some times, for very great  sundials,  the refraction is considered, but in all the other cases, either for simplicity of shape, either for love of the straight lines, and certainly not for the difficulty in the calculations, all take the Sun as puntiform. 

The error is very small and comparable to that  caused  inevitably by the fact that the year is long not a whole number of days, for which in a same day in following years the declination of the Sun changes slightly. 

Obviously in the Ephemerides we find the exact instants of the dawn and of the sunset of the Sun and if someone (?) uses these values to plan a sundial  with  ancient hours (Temporary, Italic, Babylonian) he  doesn't use the method of our predecessors and he  will not obtain courses of the lines as those of the ancient sundials that he wants to reproduce. 

 

I don't know anyone that acts in this way, when the formula already written by Fer de Vries is very simple, while the instants given in the almanacs are in Standard and not in Solar Time and moreover they are never given for the place that interests us, since this values change with the latitude. 

 

A regard 

Gianni Ferrari

 

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