Thinking of the canting of the dial, I wonder if it was moved from a 
different location.  Could then the PI refer to Previous Installation; or if 
at one time it was PL, Previous Location?

I know it is really stretching it, but could the 'PI Long' somehow refer to 
the co-latitude of the original location, which in that case would be some 
10.8 km south of the present position, ie possibly Broughton-in-Furness, 
Lowick, or Newby Bridge.  Very far-fetched, I know, but maybe some local 
historian might know.

What a lot of theories!

John




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frank Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Sundial" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 9:48 PM
Subject: strange longitude


> Greetings fellow dialists,
>
> John Foad has written to say that Keith Scobie-Youngs of the Cumbria
> Clock Co, Dacre, Penrith, last restored the Hawkshead dial in 1997. He
> asked the restorer if there was any clue from its original state, for
> example whether any of the lettering had been uncertain.  But Keith
> Scobie-Youngs assured him that, though in poor condition, there was no
> doubt about the previous inscription.  He unfortunately had no
> information or theory on what the "PL Long" meant, nor indeed as to why
> the dial is canted to no apparently significant declination!
>
> It has now been made clear to me by Fer de Vries, who has a good clear
> photograph, that the letters "PL" that I cited are in fact "PI".
> Moreover his picture reveals the missing declining values printed beside
> the locations values as "Decl. 30 deg 20 min."
>
> Here I take the liberty of passing on his message to me:
>
>   In the mean time I found a larger picture of this dial and there is
> more text as you describe.
>   The part of the text I mean is in the attached picture.
>   A new value I read is: Decl 30 (degrees) 20 (minutes)
>   Now we are able to calculate all the constants of the sundial.
>   I get with ZW2000:
>   Style height                    30.19
>   Angle of substyle            160.1 or 29.9
>   Hourangle of substyle    -35.75
>   All decimal degrees.
>
>   I thought: bingo, hour angle of the substyle. But the value you
> mentioned gives 35.7277.. decimal.
>   Still not all questions answered but perhaps this gives you another
> idea how to solve it."
>
> Well, this looks pretty close indeed and we may be nearing the answer.
> Can anyone consequently suggest a relationship between the letters "PI"
> and hour angle? Polar something? Moreover, actual longitude values
> having proved pretty unlikely (problematic observatories in Brazil,
> rural Russia, South Georgia, etc.) it is worth observing that actual
> longitude values are not common on nineteenth century dials anyway.
> Frank 55N 1W
>
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