Hello Willy and all on this topic,
I believe the version of the Bible you are reading possibly already suffers from translation issues relating to the understanding of the time system - examples of translation (ha,ha) old versions of the Bible "God created woman to serve man) latest versions (God created woman to be a companion for man) - a significant difference only due to translation and current concepts! Les From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Willy Leenders Sent: 21 March 2008 03:53 PM To: fer de vries Cc: Sundial List Subject: Re: In the Bible, what time is "the 6th hour" in GMT? I think Fer is right, Antique hours are periods not moments. Nevertheless in Mat 20 1-16 I read "AT the eleventh hour", not "IN the eleventh hour". The (shortened) text: The master of a household went out early in the morning to hire laborers for his vineyard. ..... About the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle. He said to them 'You also go into the vineyard, and you will receive whatever is right.' ..... When the laborers who were hired at about the eleventh hour came to receive their wages, they each received a denarius. When the first came, they likewise each received a denarius. When they received it, they murmured saying, 'These last have spent one hour, and you have made them equal to us, who have borne the burden of the day and the scorching heat!' Willy LEENDERS Hasselt in Flanders (Belgium) <http://www.wijzerweb.be/> www.wijzerweb.be Op 21-mrt-08, om 13:28 heeft fer de vries het volgende geschreven: Roger, Wee-meng, I think the timesystem in the Bible are antique hours, 12 hours from sunrise to sunset. With the latest Dutch translation of the Bible a few years ago it was discussed to use "our" timesystem but I am glad they didn't. The antique hours are still in use. Many times is said that noon is 6 but it is the end of the sixth hour and the seventh hour start. With sunrise the first hour start. Halfway afternoon 9 hours has past and the tenth hpour start. Antique hours are not moments as we are used to but an hour is a period of time. It is in the nineth hour and so on. Best wishes, Fer. Fer J. de Vries De Zonnewijzerkring <http://www.de-zonnewijzerkring.nl> http://www.de-zonnewijzerkring.nl Molens <http://www.collsemolen.dse.nl> http://www.collsemolen.dse.nl Eindhoven, Netherlands lat. 51:30 N long. 5:30 E ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Bailey" < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "wee-meng lee" < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Sundial List" < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 4:30 AM Subject: Re: In the Bible, what time is "the 6th hour" in GMT? >I would say noon for the 6th hour. An interesting point on Biblical time. I > am reminded of the workers in the vineyard Mat 20 1-16. Those that started > at the 11th hour were paid the same as those that bore the heat of the day. > They needed a better union for fair wages. > > Day started at sunrise. Was it unequal hours, 12 hours per day of daylight, > every day of the year? Or was it Babylonian hours, equal hours starting at > sunrise. I suspect the former but the day starts at sunset for Jews. Friday > night is part of the Sabbath Day. Does this time refer to equal hours > starting at sunset, Italian hours. What are the Biblical hours? I don't > know. Today at the equinox, it does not matter. Biblical hours, Babylonian > hours or Italian hours using 12 hour cycles are all the same today. > > I do know that many religious ceremonies start at at 3:00 pm , Good Friday, > the ninth hour in Biblical and many other times. > > Regards, > Roger Bailey > <http://www.walkingshadow.info> www.walkingshadow.info > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "wee-meng lee" < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Sundial List" < <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:33 PM > Subject: In the Bible, what time is "the 6th hour" in GMT? > > >> Hi, >> >> Today as everyone knows is Good Friday. I was reading my bible and in the >> following verse it mentions about the "sixth hour" and the "ninth hour". >> >> Luke 23:44-45 It was now about the sixth hour, and darkness came over the >> whole land until the ninth hour, [45] for the sun stopped shining. And >> curtain of the temple was torn in two. >> >> I'm trying to figure out what time that is in GMT and the Israel local >> time. >> Is it 6pm Israel local time? If so, does the Sun shine there from 6pm to >> 9pm normally? >> >> I'm staying near the equator and the Sun rises and sets about 7am, 7pm >> (our >> local time is moved forward 1 hr so in solar time, it's 6am/6pm) >> respectively all year round. >> >> thx! >> weemeng >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> <https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial >> >> > > --------------------------------------------------- > <https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial> https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial > --------------------------------------------------- https://lists.uni-koeln.de/mailman/listinfo/sundial __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 2967 (20080321) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
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