Hi Frank and Roger.

 

I thought I'd respond to both of you letters since they are related...

 

(Refer again to Time Zone Map: http://www.travel.com.hk/region/timezone.htm
)

 

You're right Frank about "westward creep" of many of the time zones.  Most
of our time zones in the US and Canada extend more to the west of their
Prime Meridians than to the east.  So as far as land area goes, there
generally is more land area west of the Prime Meridians- (I don't know if
this extra land to the west also has more population in each zone since our
population densities tend to thin out as you go west.)

 

Looking at the map, check out your "westward creep" in Europe! The UK and
Portugal are correctly colored yellow in the 0 degree zone, but the rest of
Europe is all green- even countries that are west of your zone border like
France, Belgium Holland and Spain.

 

Look at the map of Canada, Roger.  Your Eastern Time zone, in theory, should
span from 67.5 deg W to 82.5 deg W.  But it actually spans from about 62 deg
W to 90 deg W!  A definite westward creep over a 28 degree span. Your
Mountain Time zone is even worse.  Its Prime Meridian is at 105 deg W, but
it spans from 102 way over to 137- That's a 35 degree span that's not even
centered on the Prime Meridian!  Strangely, the Prime Meridian is at the far
Eastern edge of the Zone! 

 

All this Time Zone craziness is because local governments drew the time zone
boundries.  They tried to not isolate communities, states and provinces.
They didn't want time zone boundries to slice through populated areas.  They
often would zig zag them around cities and states.  (The Constitution does
not stipulate time zones as it was written before time zones were invented.)
But as cities grow, their old time zone boundries often no longer go around
communites, but through them.  If it gets really bad, they have to re-draw
the boundries.  I don't think this is done very often though because it just
leads to more confusion.

 

If your sundial is located far from its Prime Meridian in one of these crazy
Time Zones, and you want it to give a time reading that is close to watch
time, then designing it with built-in longitude correction is a must.  If
you forget about Daylight Saving periods, at worst, a longitude corrected
dial will only be about 16 minutes off (because of the Equation of Time). On
the average, it is only off by about seven minutes- good enough to keep most
appointments!  I know that I can glance at one of my sundials from a
distance, and without using an EOT graph, that it is giving me a time that
is very close to watch time. As Roger pointed out, a Solar Time dial doesn't
even come close.

 

For public wall dials that can be seen from a great distance, the person
reading the dial might be a half mile away from it- too far to read a little
EOT plaque.  Doesn't it make sense to use a longitude corrected dial for
public wall dials since the EOT graph is not availble to the far away users?

 

John Carmichael

 

 

John

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank King [mailto:[email protected]] 
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 3:44 AM
To: John Carmichael
Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]
Subject: Re: part 2 of longitude correction 

 

Dear John,

 

Your inspiring message about longitude correction

prompts more thoughts from me.  You say:

 

> ... most of our [US] Time Zones have wiggly

> irregular boundaries that sometimes span

> distances far greater than 15 degrees.

 

Everyone necessarily lives within 7.5 degrees of

a multiple of 15 degrees but, as you correctly

imply, time zone boundaries don't follow lines of

longitude.  You can live far more than 7.5 degrees

from the multiple of 15 that goes with your clock

time.

 

Here I have a conjecture that applies specifically

to the U.S. and, maybe, U.S. readers can tell me

that I am wrong:

 

   A greater proportion of the population of

   the U.S. lives to the WEST of the multiple

   of 15 degrees that governs their clock time

   than lives to the EAST of that meridian.

 

This is certainly true in the U.K. because only a

tiny proportion of the British land mass is to the

east of 0 degrees longitude.  I just happen to live

in that small bit.

 

The conjecture is certainly true in summer when

Daylight Saving Time shifts the relevant meridian

15 degrees further east but, I assert, it is true

in winter too.

 

Am I right?

 

My conjecture is part of a bigger hypothesis that

"time zones creep westwards".

 

I assume that the wiggles are not hard-wired into

the U.S. Constitution?

 

My guess is that, every so often, a town close to

a time-zone border asks to go to the other side.

Is this right?  If so, what is the procedure?

 

By my hypothesis, towns on the west of a border

more often ask for the border to be moved to

their western side than towns on the east of a

border ask for the border to be moved to their

eastern side.

 

There are villains in the U.K. who want the country

to be in the Central European Time Zone.  If this

happened, it would be a spectacular example of a

Time-Zone Creeping Westwards.

 

All the best

 

Frank

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