Hi Kent, all, 

It is not my intent to start a long debate on design decisions long past. 
That said ... 

> I happen to agree
> ... transparent registered mode, where the token is not translated

I have no trouble with the format itself really, other than it is 
different from what we see in the SRSS Web Admin (makes trouble-shooting 
harder).  The grief comes from changing the format, or having different 
values for it derived from the same user. 

"Logical token" (or pick a different term) would make great sense if we 
could get the same format and value for the same user credentials no 
matter where it came from.  So, for example, if user login were through 
the card (including aliased card), we'd get the same logical token as when 
that same user logs into the system cardless, via regional hotdesking 
through a FoG with different policy, etc.  THAT would be cool! 

-- Peter






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On 05/27/09 07:47, peter_blatherw...@mitel.com wrote:
> 
> Hello Wouter all,
> 
> Yes, this is a known SRSS behaviour.  When policy is switched from 
> access = all to/from access = registered-token-only, the format provided 

> by $SUN_SUNRAY_TOKEN changes, for the very same user / card ID, as you 
> point out.  The user.xxxx format is the logical token ID, whereas the 
> other is the actual card ID. 
> 
> Adding to the fun, we have also found that the *value* generated for the 

> logical token can be different from different Sun Ray Servers, say 
> servers that are not in a SRSS Failover Group.  This in turn means that 
> not only is the format different, but different IDs are presented to 
> represent the same user -- no end of grief can come from that.  And, i 
> believe if you switch to/from registered-token-only and back again, the 
> value generated for the logical token can even change on the same Sun 
> Ray Server.  Using card id format (access = all policy) suffers none of 
> these issues. 
> 
> (I would argue this behaviour is not a good thing, but that's just my 
> humble opinion. ;-) 

I happen to agree. I believe we should have done a transparent 
registered mode, where the token is not translated, just registered, 
years ago. The "user.xxx" tokens are useless, if not worse, given the 
deficiencies you cite.

Kent
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