In an earlier post on this list (Protocol wars) I have looked into PCoIP
and concluded that since VMware is supporting the Teradici PCoIP we
would eventually get the question: "Can the Sun Ray work with PCoIP"
Well it seems you are the first to get it!
Teradici is a full hardware solution. It basically takes the video
output of the "servers" video card as input into the Teradici hardware
card in the "server".
The Teradici server hardware card then compresses the video stream for
network streaming from the network interface on the Teradici server
hardware card.
This is a 1 to 1 or N to N solution.
VMware has build a software replacement for the server side. So no
extra hardware is needed on the server.
This leaves you with some sort of 1 to N solution. (1 server (with N
teradici processes) to N hardware cards on the clients).
There are already some clients which have PCoIP hardware onboard
See: http://www.teradici.com/pcoip/pcoip-products/oem-solutions.php
So I don't think a Teradici card in the Sun Ray server will work.
Unless Sun would build a multi-client teradici card which will be
supported by Sun in a Sun Ray environment.
So the question which remains is:
What is so critical and intensive about the general apps which will run
in VMware?
Why can't Sun uttsc client with the rdp multimedia enhancements run
these general apps well enough for them from their current VMware setup?
Last week a 911 call center was very impressed by the performance of the
uttsc with the enhancements. They where used to basic rdp.
So if your customer thinks rpd performance is not good enough, are they
talking about basic rdp or rdp with the multimedia enhancements?
Kind regards,
Ivar
Vitaly Tsipris schreef:
Fair enough, Francios!
The customer is a financial company. They are looking to save on
power/cooling and improve agility and manageability of their environment.
They have workstations that run a very critical proprietary app that
is very resource-intensive. So these desktops cannot be virtualized.
Current setup:
Each user has 2 workstations on their desks. One runs general Windows
stuff (Office, IE, etc). The second one runs this critical app. They
have 6 monitors. Quads for the app and Dual for general desktop.
Initially proposed solution:
Move app workstations into the datacenter. Virtualize general desktops
on VMware. Replace workstations at the users' desks with SunRay 2FS
clients. Connect all that using VMware View 4.
Because the app is so critical and intensive, customer wants to
utilize PCoIP protocol to present app to users and avoid performance
and latency problems of using RDP.
Sun solution looked good because ALP is similar to PCoIP. And so they
thought they could use PCoIP protocol to View and then ALP from SRS to
thin clients. With RDP only being used within datacenter.
Problem:
For these dedicated app workstations, they have to install Teradici
cards that provide PCoIP connectivity. However, Teradici has not
released a driver yet that would allow these cards to talk to View
Agent. And as such, these workstations cannot be delivered to thin
clients using View.
Proposed solution (if it si even possible):
Install Teradici card on SunRay Server. Have workstation cards talk to
SRS card. The SRS would pass the output to thin clients. This would
eliminate View completely.
We can then use VDA connector on SRS to present general use desktops
that will be virtualized.
Questions:
1. Would SunRay Server be able to do that? And how?
2. Is it possible? Can 1 Teradici card talk to multiple Teradici cards?
3. How do I present a choice of desktops to the user? They need to be
able to start regular desktops on 1 thin client and App desktop on the
other pair of thin clients on their desks. I was going to use Meta
Kiosk. Would that work? How would I do that?
4. Customer also has some Linux desktops (CentOS, I think). What is
the best way to present them to thin clients? (SGD vs VNC on the SRS
server vs building SRS on CentOs (is that possible? if so, are there
any instructions out there?)
Hope this explains it better. Thank you SO much for willing to help!!
Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions.
Thank you!
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Vitaly Tsipris
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] on behalf of Francois Dion
Sent: Sun 12/20/2009 7:30 AM
To: SunRay-Users mailing list
Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] Teradici and SunRay problem
On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Vitaly Tsipris
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> I am working with a customer who has an interesting challenge. I
hope you
> could help me figure out a way to help them.
[...]
> Finally, does anyone have any other alternative ideas on how to
solve this
> customer's problem?
You never stated the customer problem. From what you mentionned, there
is nothing there that requires teradici cards and except for the
mention of 6 monitors at each desks, we only have a vague idea of the
whole thing.
Let's start from the beginning, what is the customer requirement?
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