Maybe try Windows XP if you haven't already (sorry if I missed that you
already tried).  I'm on XP and performance is great.

William Yang

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:sunray-users-
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Devin Nate
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:25 PM
> To: SunRay-Users mailing list
> Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] EXTERNAL:Re: EXTERNAL: Sun Desktop
> AccessClient (SDAC / soft client) poor performance
> 
> Thanks Bob for the followup.
> 
> I've been up and down over mtu ... that was my guess at first too. I can
> confirm by packet capture that SDAC is using a mtu no larger than the
> slider in the client is set to for udp packets. Tcp packets appear to be
> using pmtud and getting an fine mtu also.
> 
> I'm spinning up a host in our data center to test... but so far, no good
> solutions have come out of this.
> 
> I suspect I'm going to need to get Oracle/Sun to open a case.. this is
> frustrating enough that I'd like to get folks with access to the source
> code involved. Where every other app works...?
> 
> I may get a Solaris SRS running here as well for comparative testing.
> 
> Anyhow, if anyone has any more ideas, let me know.
> 
> Thanks,
> Devin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:sunray-users-
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Bob Doolittle
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:43 PM
> To: SunRay-Users mailing list
> Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] EXTERNAL:Re: EXTERNAL: Sun Desktop
> AccessClient (SDAC / soft client) poor performance
> 
> MTU settings sound more plausible than uttsc to me.
> uttsc should not affect latency as measured by utcapture - that's purely
> a metric measured between the X server and the client.
> 
> -Bob
> 
> Nishimura, Scott L (IT Solutions) wrote:
> > Devin,
> >
> >   I'll have to defer to more knowledgeable members of this list.  The
> > performance you describe, however, is suspiciously similar to what we
> > experienced a few years back before we had tuned our MTU settings [we
> > ultimately settled on 1470]:  when going through a PowerPoint stack,
> > we'd get 5-second delays in screen redraw.
> >
> > The only other time I've seen something like this was when I was using
> > PCSC [PC Smart Card] 1.0 and when I got a normal workload on the SRS,
> > pcscd started taking up 6% of the CPU and users would see many 5-second
> > delays during their session.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Devin Nate
> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:27 PM
> > To: SunRay-Users mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] EXTERNAL:Re: EXTERNAL: Sun Desktop
> > AccessClient (SDAC / soft client) poor performance
> >
> > Ahh, now that's something we haven't done yet... packet capture of the
> > uttsc data. So far we've done a packet capture of the dtu<-->srss and
> > compared with sdac<-->srss, and we couldn't see any difference there.
> >
> > I'll report observations asap.
> >
> > That said, would a difference in uttsc traffic to the terminal servers
> > cause utcapture to indicate a higher latency?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Devin
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nishimura, Scott
> > L (IT Solutions)
> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 3:16 PM
> > To: SunRay-Users mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] EXTERNAL:Re: EXTERNAL: Sun Desktop Access
> > Client (SDAC / soft client) poor performance
> >
> > Devin,
> >
> >   How about if you run a truss or pstack or similar troubleshooting tool
> > on uttsc and compare the results between the actual DTU and SDAC?
> >
> > Does your sniffer test show excessive retransmissions?
> >
> > Also, what MTU size is being used?  Too large [> 1470?] could lead to
> > fragmentation; too small [< 500] could lead to "laggy" performance
> > [we've run into that before on a physical DTU before].
> >
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Devin Nate
> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:06 PM
> > To: [email protected]; SunRay-Usersmailing list
> > Subject: EXTERNAL:Re: [SunRay-Users] EXTERNAL: Sun Desktop Access Client
> > (SDAC / soft client) poor performance
> >
> > Hi Lars;
> >
> > I completely agree... the problem is, the DTU and SDAC clients are on
> > identical networks... in fact, I've taken the cable out of a perfect DTU
> > and put it into a PC. I was thinking perhaps QoS or something tagging
> > the udp packages.
> >
> > The PCs have Intel nic's. I'm tracking down totally different
> > architectures. Our core is all Cisco networking gear. We're looking to
> > setup a host on the same LAN directly connected to the core, that said
> > we had some hosts in the datacenter getting latency of 500.000, gig
> > connected but on a different subnet.
> >
> > All that aside, the Sun DTU's work perfect on the same network. We're
> > going through everything with a fine tooth comb, but I'm not optimistic.
> >
> > More thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Devin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected]
> > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lars Tunkrans
> > Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 2:36 PM
> > To: SunRay-Users mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [SunRay-Users] EXTERNAL: Sun Desktop Access Client (SDAC /
> > soft client) poor performance
> >
> > 2010-03-01 20:31, Devin Nate skrev:
> >
> >> I'm really appreciating the ideas, please keep them coming?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Devin
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >    When I experience  laggy  screen updates  on a DTU  ist is usually
> > becase there is
> > a problem with the network .
> >
> >   As the list can testify:
> >
> >    One returning problem is  Low end  flaky  L2 switches  with a
> > gigabit input from the CORE  switch
> > and 100Mbit  link out to the DTU.  These L2 switches  drops UDP  packets
> >
> > and forces  the DTU
> > to ask for them again .  Hence  the Laggy  screen updates.
> >
> >
> >
> >    Now heres a long shot.....
> >
> > if you are using  mainly the same  brand  pc ,  do they all have the
> > same  LAN Card / CHipset ?
> > There are many kinds of problems  with  Chinese  wierdo combines  of
> > PHY  / MAC   chipsets.
> > They come up with new combinations every week just to be able to
> > produce  the motherboard  5 cents
> > cheaper.
> >
> >    Should  you try   an  Intel  Pro1000  GT  Desktop adaptor ?   I think
> >
> > so.
> >
> >
> > http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/adapters/pro1000gt/pro1000gt-overv
> > iew.htm
> >
> >    This is probably the the most stable  ethernet card today,  since
> > 3COM  stopped making
> >    ethernet cards.
> >
> >
> >     Did you try to attach  the PC  directly to core switch  yet ?
> >
> >      //Lars
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