On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 00:39 , Will S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

>> From: Phillip Meza [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 22:02:21 -0700 (MST)
>> hello listers, Been awhile... I having alot of trouble maintaining 
>> "Panther" 10.3.3......



>Phil, I'm going to go out on a limb a bit. I'd say if you've ran the 
>various versions of OS 10.2 including 10.2.8 on your machine 
>successfully then your RAM is likely ok. Most if not all the weak and 
>bad RAM should already have been weeded out by now or you would already 
>have had RAM issues to deal with.
>       I installed Panther early as soon as it was possible on my Umax 
>machine. I had all sorts of problems. Mail was one of the apps that 
>didn't work correctly for me. Tried lots of fixes but things were never 
>quite right. Tried new fresh installs and different issues with 
>different installs and 10.3.2 introduced a new one disk Utilities 
>crashed at startup which meant I couldn't even open .dmg files to 
>install since Panther combines Disk copy and Utilities.
>Here's how I got things to work for me. Fresh install of Panther . Run 
>Disk Warrior 2.1 from within OS 9.x or Disk Warrrior 3.0 or 3.1 by 
>booting from the CD using XPFacto 3.0a 13 plus (version 16 is current) 
>or i run from my Jaguar disk. Then use Norton's Speed disk to defrag 
>the drive. Be sure to use a version that is current enough. i use the 
>System works 3 in OS 9.x . I've found from the beginning of OSX 
>installs that it leaves the hard drive way fragmented in a major way 
>and Panthers problems are due to this fragmentation. It is true that 
>UNIX and thus OSX aren't as affected by fragmentation as OS 9 and older 
>but only true once you have a good non fragmented install.  Once that 
>is done use the 10.3.3 combo update and skip the faulty 10.3.2 update 
>and don't use software update software for Mac OS updates. Seems to 
>work fine for non OS installs. Best of luck hope this helps. Will S


Thank's Will, Let me get "specific" here its needed.  The S900 thats
giving me problems has never run with anything above OS 9.1 I have 2
machines operating via KVM.  This one has RAM totaling about 910MBs
from 3 different sources, OWC/128 (2), Velocity/128 (4) and unknown/64 
(2) all appear to be FPM sticks, except the 64's I can't identify so I
pulled. I've proceeded with several troubleshooting methods, including 
what you prescribed above Norton Version 6 specifically and DW 2.1 & 
3.0.1.  So with this in mind, is it memory? I've "moved and/or eliminated"
sticks, doesn't matter OS9 wasn't as "picky" it seems?

I actually started with using a different HD a smaller 20gig WD, 2 partions
same problems. by the way these are connected via an Acard 6280

I'm back more notes... I pulled the WD with "panther" and installed it
into my "Jaguar" box...its stable! this machine has an interleaved Gig of
Ram. so it appears I have suspect RAM in the "original" box.

Your thoughts (or anyone else) on a solution would be helpful here...
as always greatful, Phil 

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