Rickles wrote: > Rickles wrote: >> Roger Fink wrote: >>> Rickles wrote: >>>> Roger Fink wrote: >>>>> Roger Fink wrote: >>>>>> Roger Fink wrote: >>>>>>> Rickles wrote: >>>>>>>> Roger Fink wrote: >>>>>>>>> Paul B. Gallagher wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Michael Gordon wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> SM 2.15 effectively blocks all versions of JAVA. Yesterday >>>>>>>>>>> I had SM 2.13 installed and running JAVA applets by enabling >>>>>>>>>>> JAVA in the Ad-Ons Manager. Last night I upgraded to SM >>>>>>>>>>> 2.15 and JAVA applets would not run. ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Side note: Internet Explorer, v.8, has no problem with the >>>>>>>>>>> latest version of the JAVA plugin. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> It is time to jump the sinking ship. The Mozilla Fire >>>>>>>>>>> Breathing Dragon has run out of gas, has lost its spark, and >>>>>>>>>>> should be laid to rest with honors. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the ride, Mozilla, it has been a fun ride. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On my system, at about:plugins, the plugin is listed with a >>>>>>>>>> bright red message, "Java(TM) Platform SE 7 U11 is known to >>>>>>>>>> be vulnerable. Use with caution," followed by a link to "More >>>>>>>>>> information," which points here: >>>>>>>>>> <https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p182>. >>>>>>>>>> Details of the block request are available here: >>>>>>>>>> <https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=829111>. Using >>>>>>>>>> SM 2.15, I visited a familiar site that uses a Java applet, >>>>>>>>>> and that part of the page was displayed with a puzzle piece >>>>>>>>>> saying I had to "click here to activate plugin." I clicked, >>>>>>>>>> Java started, and it ran normally. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I closed the page (which clears its session cookies) and >>>>>>>>>> returned, logged in all over again, and repeated the >>>>>>>>>> procedure. Once again, I was told I had to click to activate >>>>>>>>>> Java. So that one click did not enable Java globally or >>>>>>>>>> permanently. Accordingly, two points: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1) The problem is not of Mozilla's making, it's a fault with >>>>>>>>>> Oracle's product so it's not fair to blame Mozilla for >>>>>>>>>> protecting you. 2) If you really want to run Java despite its >>>>>>>>>> vulnerability, you can, on demand. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The java plugin is enabled without conditions or warnings in >>>>>>>>> my SM v.15. My experience in activating java on time.gov is >>>>>>>>> like what you describe. The first time I clicked the box to >>>>>>>>> enable it, java presented me with an option to remember the >>>>>>>>> permission, which I selected. The second time it just >>>>>>>>> presented the box, so there is a glitch somewhere, but at >>>>>>>>> least you can use it in selected instances if you need to >>>>>>>>> (and some of us do). >>>>>>>> I'm not seeing any box, pop-up, pop-under, jigsaw-puzzle >>>>>>>> placeholder, nuttin'. SM Add-On Mgr shows a warning that the >>>>>>>> "Java (version) is known to be vulnerable. Use with caution." >>>>>>>> Then a link called 'More Information' which takes you to >>>>>>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/blocked/p186 (in the >>>>>>>> case of Java 1.6_38), and that tells you it's been >>>>>>>> automatically disabled and no longer usable. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Back to my original question: how do I turn it back on? If I'm >>>>>>>> supposed to see some dialog box, how do I force THAT on so I >>>>>>>> can turn Java back on? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you install the prefbar extension you can easily access (by >>>>>>> one of several display options) a check box to enable or >>>>>>> disable java. That should do it, but I would upgrade to java >>>>>>> 7.11 first. >>>>>>> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/prefbar/?src=ss >>>>>> >>>>>> And based on the "recognition problem" you're experiencing, I >>>>>> would completely uninstall the version that you have before >>>>>> installing a later one. By uninstall I mean a conventional >>>>>> uninstall via Seamonkey and then go into the Windows file tree >>>>>> and erase all that detritus. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for the mistake - my bad: I meant conventional uninstall >>>>> through Windows (or Revo), not SeaMonkey. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> I had already done the complete cleanup and re-install of the >>>> latest version, but it's not changing anything. In the Java >>>> control panel applet, I have ticked the box under 'Advanced - >>>> Default java for browsers - Mozilla Family', but as soon as SM >>>> opens, the box gets cleared again. And using the Pogo site as >>>> called out earlier in this thread, there is no puzzle-piece >>>> drawing where I can select and authorize the use of Java, no >>>> matter how I set the security level in the Java Cntrl Pnl applet. >>>> >>>> This is really getting old. >>> >>> Try re-installing the same version of SeaMonkey over itself. >>> Longshot, but longshots are all you have left. >>> >>> >> OK, think I'm on the right track finally. I'm documenting below what >> process I've gone thru to get this far, but what it boils down to is >> something in the current profile which appears to cause a version >> reporting issue between installed Java vs how SM reads/reports this. >> >> And no, clearing cookies/cache/etc. has no effect. Java applet tick >> boxes aren't really having any effect, but here's what I do know: >> >> A sterile test profile doesn't have the Java issues--it all works >> fine. Looking at the Plugins list thru Add-on Mgr shows both the >> current installed Java version (7 upd 11) and the Java Deployment >> Toolkit (a sub-component installed as part of the JRE.) >> >> The troubled profile shows the same 2 components, but the JRE entry >> shows a security warning with a web link, and the web link article >> states Java functionality has been shut down for my own good. Makes >> no difference whether either/both of these pluginss are enable or >> not. Pages using Java don't work. And, going to the 'about:plugins' >> page shows only the JRE, not the toolkit. So where does the toolkit >> entry come from to show in Add-on Mgr? >> >> Found web articles talking about Java security issues with JRE v6 and >> the Deployment toolkit of the same gen, and how to remove it, but >> those instructions don't work for JRE v7 and it's toolkit. >> >> Stripped java as completely as I could from the XP machine, observed >> the Depl. Toolkit dll file delted from System32 folder and the >> entire Java folder deleted from Program Files, then verified no Java >> entries at all in failing SM profile's Add-ons Mgr screen. Then >> re-installed JRE v7 upd 11, and the entries have re-appeared in >> Add-ons Mgr, same as before. Have compared the 'pluginreg.dat' files >> between the 2 profiles, >> looking for differences in the Java-related entries, but CompareIt! >> tool shows them to be identical. >> >> Any suggestions where else to look in the profile settings for this >> sort of behavior? > Another update: found the culprit, the 'Classic Firefox Theme for > Seamonkey v0.10' theme extension. As soon as that's been applied and > the browser started, your Java functionality breaks. Verified this > through a new virgin test profile. With nothing else installed, > adding this profile and restarting SM kills the Java. And simply > disabling or rmeoving this theme does NOT make the Java work again. > > This theme is assumed to be approved for SM v2.15 since it doesn't > prevent installation from the Add-ons search page as some other > add-ons do, but it's fatal to Java. > > Anyone (like a programmer who writes this stuff?) able to point at a > setting which is permanently set in a profile from a theme install, > which doesn't go away when that theme is removed, and which would > affect the Java reporting in Add-on Mgr / Plug-ins?
I can't remember how many definitive conclusions I've reached in solving particular computer problems that I've had to walk back, but it's been many, many. Usually, the farther out you travel on the diagnostic tree, the more suspicious you need to be of the latest definitive conclusion. _______________________________________________ support-seamonkey mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
