On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 9:22:24 PM UTC-4, David H. Durgee wrote: > Rick Collins wrote: > > On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 3:47:58 PM UTC-4, NFN Smith wrote: > >> MozUser wrote: > >>> Windows 10 Home Laptop all updates > >>> > >>> Laptop up for hours. > >>> > >>> Running Seamonkey (latest) from PC startup used for newsgroups ONLY. > >>> > >>> Seamonkey super sluggish. > >>> > >>> I have two news sources with the same groups and both sources are just > >>> as sluggish. > >>> Sluggish: > >>> click on a newsgroup and it takes a very long time to respond. > >>> whirling cursor just whirls > >>> click on a header and the same thing with a blank posting area (no > >>> post test seen). > >>> > >>> Restart Seamonkey and get the same result. > >>> > >>> Process Explorer show 45% IDLE > >>> SEamonkey 20% > >>> MsMpEng 20% > >>> All others in fractions% > >>> > >>> So a lot of scanning is going on probably on Seamonkey because after > >>> many many minutes Seamonkey starts responding and MsMpEng goes to > >>> fractional% > >>> > >>> What is going on ? > >>> What is Seamonkey doing and how can I stop it ? > >>> What is Win10 doing and how do I stop it? > >>> > >> > >> There's a lot of possible bottlenecks -- some may be related directly to > >> Seamonkey, some related to your operating system, some may be related to > >> your hardware, and some could have multiple sources working against each > >> other simultaneously. > >> > >> Some suggestions: > >> > >> 1) There could be issues with your user profile, particularly > >> extensions. Try restarting Seamonkey in Safe Mode, and see what > >> happens. If you get better performance, then you may want to consider > >> permanent removal of certain extensions, or perhaps re-install of > >> extensions. > >> > >> BTW, don't bother with trying to uninstall/reinstall Seamonkey, unless > >> you have positive reason to believe that there is likely corruption to > >> either program binaries or the Windows registry. In Win 7 and later, > >> those kinds of issues are very unusual. > >> > >> 2) Is your computer slow when Seamonkey is closed, and you're > >> interacting with other applications? If you live in Seamonkey, it's > >> easy to blame Seamonkey for slowness, when it may be just the symptom of > >> other things that are causing performance issues. > > > > I switched to SeaMonkey because T-bird was so slow with delays when doing > > simple things like moving the cursor and seeing the highlighting stop, > > inability to select anything, essentially the user interface freezes. At > > times it would take minutes for it to return. SeaMonkey does the same > > sorts of things, but it returns a lot more quickly. > > > > The rest of my machine is pretty smooth with few delays. Monitoring the > > state of the computer with Task Manager shows nothing hogging *any* > > resource that would slow SeaMonkey. > > > > > >> There's a lot of things that could be happening, such as background AV > >> scanning, other applications that are updating, etc. Another > >> possibility is memory usage, especially if you have lots of things that > >> auto-start when you log into Windows. It's common for installed software > >> to self-optimize, by setting itself to auto-start, and developers tend > >> to focus on optimizing their stuff, without regard to user preferences > >> (unless you remember to opt out). Two things that consume a *lot* of > >> resources are Adobe Reader and LibreOffice. If you make constant use of > >> either of those, it may make sense to auto-start, and you get faster > >> performance. But if you use only occasionally, there's no reason to > >> have those loaded into memory, especially if doing so inhibits other use > >> of the computer. > > > > These things would show up in Task Manager. When I bring my machine out of > > hibernate there is a malware program that saturates the disk for a minute > > or three. I can see that happen and the entire machine is affected. So I > > can't understand how anything like this would sap a single application. > > > > > >> Adobe notoriously "fat", and includes a lot of low-priority plugins. I > >> don't remember if current versions are set to auto-start, as a default. > >> In any case, other PDF readers, (FoxIt, Pdf-Xchange, SumatraPDF) are all > >> considerably less demanding on system resources. And there's lots of > >> small stuff that may be self-loading, as well. It's worth running > >> MSConfig (or perhaps CCleaner) to see what's auto-starting, and pare > >> that down as much as possible. > > > > Acrobat hasn't been used on this machine ever. I use lightweight PDF > > viewers like Sumatra and Foxit. > > > > > >> If you have an AV scanner that's running, you may want to tweak settings > >> so that it's not trying to do a full system scan at a time that you're > >> normally trying to get work done. If you normally shut your system down > >> at night, then there's a lot of processes that may be set to run > >> overnight, and if they don't run at the scheduled time, then they'll try > >> to get caught up at the first opportunity later. Sometimes, a machine > >> can be exceptionally busy for the first 10 or 15 minutes after being > >> started (or revived out of sleep or hibernate modes). > > > > AV always runs, but only does scans at night. When it causes delays it > > shows up in Task Manager as saturating the disk drive. > > > > > >> 3) Hardware can be a problem, too. The most common area of question is > >> RAM -- if you're running a machine with 4 GB of RAM, and you typically > >> use more than that, then you're going to be doing a lot of memory > >> swapping to hard disk, and you'll notice that in performance. > > > > Same thing with this concern. I have 16 GB of RAM. If the RAM would the > > problem is manifests by swapping to the hard drive saturating the drive. I > > see neither the drive being saturated nor the memory being used up. Right > > now the RAM usage is 12.4 GB. > > > > > >> I also find slowness issues with hard drives: > >> > >> - Check your disk usage. If your hard drive is more than 50% capacity, > >> it will be slower than if you have less. If you're at 2/3 capacity, > >> you'll notice performance issues. If the disk is at 3/4 capacity, it's > >> effectively "full", and you'll see significant performance issues. The > >> issue is a physical limitation with hard drives -- the more data that is > >> stored, the more work that has to be done to locate specific data (or > >> empty blocks). Defragging may help a little bit, but probably not a > >> lot. If you're in the habit of dumping the contents of your camera's SD > >> card onto your hard drive, or if you have a big music collection, you > >> need to get that stuff moved to other media. It's not that that stuff > >> isn't important, but your primary hard drive is not a good place to do > >> long-term archival storage, for stuff that you don't need every day. If > >> the drive is full, then there's no reason to let your archives interfere > >> with you daily usage. > > > > Under Windows 8 a defragging application runs automatically. Hard drive > > congestion is only a factor if a lot of accesses are being made to the hard > > drive. I see light activity and there is no special reason why the > > SeaMonkey apps would be more subject to the delays than any other apps. > > > > I am using the SeaMonkey browser at the moment to type this and am seeing > > delays just in typing that make it hard to use. I can get half a line > > ahead of the display. The CPU usage is below 10%, the disk usage is nearly > > zero. The delays I see are in the newsreader and browser as I don't use > > email. > > > > > >> Also, with disk storage, make sure you run cleanups of your disk -- > >> again CCleaner is a good tool. You don't need to be taking multiple GB > >> of space from temp files, downloaded software, browser cache, etc. > >> Although having a large browser cache was useful a couple of decades > >> ago, it really isn't necessary now. On my own installations, I normally > >> lower the size of the browser cache to only a fraction of the default size. > >> > >> - Integrity of the hard drive -- I've seen several machines that are > >> chronically slow, even after I've done significant performance tuning. > >> In each of those cases, it turns out that the hard drive was in the > >> process of failing, and checking the drives' SMART status revealed > >> relocated sectors. In each case, after I replaced the hard drive, > >> performance issues vanished. > >> > >> > >> Although it's not impossible that your problems are Seamonkey-specific > >> (especially something with your user profile), I'm inclined to believe > >> that Seamonkey is probably only the symptom of other problems, rather > >> than the cause. Get the other problems fixed, and Seamonkey will likely > >> be happy. > > > > The common denominator is T-Bird and SeaMonkey (which have much common code > > and architecture) as well as the fact that it is seen in both SeaMonkey > > apps I use. If there were general problems with my machine I would expect > > to see it manifest in other apps. > > > > What speed is your internet connection? Both SM and TB are going to be > throttled by slow internet service. Likewise a slow DNS server can hold > things back as well as no data can be transferred without a DNS lookup. > > Anything using the internet will be throttled by the speed of data transfer. > > Dave
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