sean nathan wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
sean nathan wrote:
Welcome to February fellow Seamonkey devotees! I have performed a
fresh install of SM 2.49.1 today after a distro upgrade to
PeppermintOS linux 8 respin 2.
All of my imap accounts worked flawlessly as I created each account.
I have generally stuck to pop3 access in the past, but I am finding
out via imap that e'mail that I thought I had deleted long ago, by
downloading to my machines, still resides on the e'mail servers.
Wondering if I am missing some checkbox which deletes the email from
the servers? I have always assumed the act of downloading my e'mail
removes the copy from cox.net, gmail & outlook... all of my yahoo
accounts work that way.
IMAP synchronises emails on the PC with the server. Downloaded emails
stay on the server. If you delete an email from the PC, it also gets
deleted from the server. If you delete on the server, it will be
deleted from the PC next time it syncs.
POP3 downloads email from the server to the PC. Whether it is left on
the server having done so is optional. See the settings at Edit > Mail
& Newsgroups Account Settings > (select your account) > Server
Settings, in particular "Leave messages on server", "For at
most...days" and "Until I delete them".
GMail is different (as always...) When using POP3, the server ignores
the client's instructions as to whether to delete the email. Instead
you have to log in to <https://mail.google.com/> and go to GMail's
settings. On the "Forwarding and POP/IMAP" tab is a setting "When
messages are accessed with POP" with options "keep Gmail's copy in the
Inbox", "mark Gmail's copy as read", "archive Gmail's copy" or "delete
Gmail's copy".
Therein lies my dilemma, I never delete non-spam e'mail, but I do move
it from the inbox to my decades of archived mail in the local folders.
It resides on my machine permanently as an interactive diary of sorts...
Only Yahoo seems to be properly configured to allow mail removed from
"Inbox" to be deleted.
Gmail moves copies into three separate imap folders... and I have to go
to Cox cable & Outlook webmail to delete previously moved e'mail
manually...
Gmail allows emails to be given multiple "labels", which it presents as
folders in IMAP, resulting in copies in multiple IMAP folders. All
incoming email appears in "Inbox" (or "Spam") and "All Mail". I'm not
sure what the third one you refer to is?
There are a few settings in Gmail's web interface which might help...
(Gmail) Settings > Labels:
- Untick "Show in IMAP" next to the "All Mail" label
--- Prevents that label from being shown as a folder in IMAP along with
duplicates of all emails.
- I also untick "Show in IMAP" next to the "Important" label
--- Avoids duplicates showing up in that IMAP folder. You might want to
keep this one, depending whether you use the "Important" label, but if
you do you'll need to delete "important" emails from both the Inbox and
Important IMAP folders. Similarly you might want to untick the "Starred"
label if you don't use that.
(Gmail) Settings > Forwarding and POP/IMAP:
- When I mark a message in IMAP as deleted: Auto-Expunge off
--- Avoids Gmail immediately deleting messages if SeaMonkey is set to
mark messages as deleted, so you get the chance to un-delete them before
compacting the folder to actually delete the messages marked as deleted.
- When a message is marked as deleted and expunged from the last visible
IMAP folder: Immediately delete the message forever
--- If SeaMonkey is set to mark messages as deleted, messages marked as
deleted in SeaMonkey (shown strike-through in the thread pane) will
remain in Gmail's until the folder is compacted (expunged) in SeaMonkey,
at which point messages marked as deleted are also deleted from Gmail.
--- If SeaMonkey is set to move deleted messages to the bin, deleted
messages appear in the bin folder in both SeaMonkey and Gmail (Gmail
doesn't immediately delete it at this point, as SeaMonkey has moved the
message, not deleted it). Strangely, deleting the message from
SeaMonkey's bin doesn't seem to delete it from Gmail's bin, but that
seems to be the case regardless of the setting in Gmail and probably
isn't too bad since Gmail automatically deletes messages from the bin
after 30 days.
The SeaMonkey setting to mark messages as deleted or move them to the
bin is at Edit > Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings > (select your
account) > Server Settings > "When I delete a message".
Oh well, just have to go hit the delete button once a month I guess...
I find the above seems to work quite sensibly in Gmail. There are still
a few quirks though. e.g. moving a message from a Gmail IMAP folder to a
local folder in SeaMonkey leaves the message on Gmail's server (visible
if you log in to webmail) but it doesn't show up in the IMAP folder on
SeaMonkey (only in the local folder to which it was moved). If, in
SeaMonkey, the message is moved back from the local folder to the IMAP
folder:
- If SeaMonkey is set to move deleted messages to the bin, the message
disappears in SeaMonkey; it doesn't show up in the IMAP folder, although
it's still there in Gmail webmail. If, in webmail, the message is moved
to another folder and back again, it shows up back in SeaMonkey.
- If SeaMonkey is set to mark messages as deleted, the message shows up
again in the IMAP folder in SeaMonkey.
I don't use Gmail heavily though, so there may be other quirks, or some
other combination of settings might work better for you. If you want to
experiment, it's probably worth creating a separate Gmail account to
reduce the risk of accidentally deleting (or making invisible to
SeaMonkey) wanted emails from your usual account!
--
Mark.
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