Exactly. The theory of a darknet is you connect to people that you
already know and trust. Now, there's a good chance of getting a
worldwide-net because someone in group A may know and trust someone in
group B, but chances are that not all of group A knows all of group B.
For a real-world analogy...I don't have a problem hanging out with my
girlfriend and her friends...she has no problem being with me and my
friends...but my friends and her friends would never meet
independently. Perhaps they would become friends with time...and
perhaps people in group A of the darknet would get to know and trust
people in group B of the darknet....but that would take time. I mean,
I know that personally it's gonna take a few years of knowing someone
before I would trust them well enough to talk about the kinda stuff
some people do on freenet. I mean, yea, that time might be lowered by
someone else you trust saying 'they're cool, don't worry about
it'...but still, by the time you have a global network, freenet 1.0 is
gonna be out.

Plus it makes freenet a much better target for government agencies.
Chances are the people you are connected directly to in freenet you
know very well. Chances are the people you know very well live in the
same country as you, if for no other reason than a shared language. So
chances are, if they bust one freenet node, they can bust all
connected nodes.

And that actually made me think of one other thing. If you have a
darknet in, say, Germany, they will most likely all speak German and
upload German files. So how would they get joined to a darknet that
mostly spoke English and uploads English files? Only people who speak
both languages relatively well will bother to connect to both
networks. But they have to not only speak both languages but also know
and trust someone else who speaks the other language. Which seems to
point back to smaller networks connected in few places.


On 8/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Evan,

You are right - there is a lot of data to show that social networks do
expand in the method being said here, but that data is based on known,
non-anonymous social networks. In an anonymous network the rule of thumb is
trust no one.

If an openet is not the solution, neither is posting information with an
embeded IP number the solution. I don't know how the openet is hackable,
especially if node connections pr paths through nodes change randomly
(TOR-like), but with a manually established network it only takes capturing
1 node and the entire freenet is at risk. I would be more inclined to
exchange node information with someone if the information were encrypted -
private/public key. In an anonymous social network I would be more inclined
to expand that network to others because my node information is encrypted.



>From: "Evan Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], support@freenetproject.org
>To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: support@freenetproject.org
>Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
>Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 10:06:37 -0400
>
>Please justify your assumptions.
>
>There is a lot of data on social networks that says that is not how
>they look.  I see no reason to believe the social networks a freenet
>darknet would be built upon would be different.
>
>Evan
>
>On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Yea, but you don't know all the nodes in the network, you just know
>>the ones your connected to. So if one of those links between the
>>networks goes down, half your downloads stall out and die. And
>>wouldn't that put a pretty big strain on certain computers? I mean, if
>>you get this global network of small networks...90% of the data you
>>request will probably be on another 'network'. The number of
>>connections between these networks is going to be a lot smaller than
>>connections within the network. Therefore the computers that connect
>>between them are gonna have a much greater strain on them than the
>>ones that are only linked to one 'network'. And if these individual
>>networks fully connect and integrate...you have an opennet. Except you
>>have to physically get your node connections from someone else. So you
>>have an opennet with much fewer connections, which doesn't seem like a
>>good thing.
>>
>>
>>On 8/26/06, Evan Daniel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that
>>happens
>> > > >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no
>>main
>> > > >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently
>>is
>> > > >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to
>> > > >>everyone else.
>> > > >
>> > > >That is not true.  Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global
>>network, not
>> > > >multiple independent networks consisting of small groups.
>> > > >
>> > > >Ian.
>> > >
>> > > Ian,
>> > >
>> > > How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one
>>group
>> > > trades connection information with someone in another group?
>> > >
>> > > Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France,
>>another in
>> > > Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7
>>freenets. No
>> > > one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group,
>>and
>> > > they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to
>>connect to
>> > > because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to
>>their
>> > > freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global
>>network?
>> >
>> > They won't.  But your assumptions are off -- there's lots of good
>> > reasons to assume that once a small local network passes a handful of
>> > connected users it will gain a connection to a different network.  And
>> > then you have a global network.  This is what is meant when people say
>> > 0.7 is designed to form a global network -- there is no magic, except
>> > for the underlying properties of the social connections the network is
>> > built upon.
>> >
>> > Evan
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