On 8/23/06, urza9814 at gmail.com <urza9814 at gmail.com> wrote:
> With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all.
> Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400
> connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and
> probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one.

The problem with this is that it's very cheap and easy to infiltrate
such a network compared to the darknet aproach that 0.7 is taking.
It's just a matter of having enough bandwidth, and a slightly modified
freenetnode and you can pretend to be a lot of nodes(or you could just
run a lot of nodes) and get connected all over the network and start
snooping on stuff. Then a bunch of CPU time to crack the encryption
used.

Very easy to automate and very cheap compared to what you have to do
to do the same on a darknet.

On a darknet you have to use social engineering to trick members to
letting you in, and that mean you also have to find a member first if
they have a small network by themselves instead of using the main
network.

>
>
> On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com <diddler4u at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5
> > vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about
> > OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to
> > find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains
> > information about 0.7.
> >
> > I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my
> > bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got
> > it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet
> > user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a
> > connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to
> > someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet
> > I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect
> > to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have
> > no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are.
> > For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town,
> > the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5,
> > FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track
> > messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I
> > tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent
> > fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much.
> >
> > I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes,
> > none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the
> > last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they
> > come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new
> > nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get
> > people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to
> > spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going
> > to have to make sure it stays connected.
> >
> > Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC
> > chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection
> > to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to
> > automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is
> > made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I
> > should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections
> > throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to
> > and am simply a node in a collective whole.
> >
> > I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll
> > leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide
> > whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely.
> >
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