Thanks Matthew!
You are a rare bird who speaks of both Macs and PC's with authority. The
information you sent is precious. Thank you very, very much.
Henry Bookout
North Fork Environmental Council
POB 799
Mattituck, NY 11952
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Matthew Scholtz wrote:
> Hello Henry,
>
> Sorry for coming to this thread late. I can verify: regular desktop versions of
>Windows and Mac OS cannot file share with each other. Filemaker can still go x-plat
>because it's going over straight TCP/IP, in its own "language", and doesn't need to
>adopt the network protocol of either OS. Apple Share IP can do what it claims, but,
>as you saw, it is expensive and would make your network no longer peer-to-peer.
>Certainly overkill for sharing a zip drive.
>
> At my former job we did a five-machine installation of Dave on our macs, and while I
>was there they fileshared flawlessly (only a few minor file extension glitches) with
>the PC's. I don't recall if we ever tried to share a zip drive directly, but my
>hunch is that this would be no problem. Dave simply provides the LAN protocol that
>enables the two OS's to talk to each other, so any drive that they can share natively
>should be communicated to the other OS by Dave. I can certainly recommend the
>software. File copying was somewhat slower than across a win-win or mac-mac
>connection, however. So if you're going to be copying very large files with any
>consistency cross-platform, it might end up being a frustration.
>
> As far as whether to go with Dave or a SCSI card, I would think Dave. It's a bit
>more expensive (if I remember right) but you end up being able to do far more with it
>than just share a zip drive - generally not all that much happening for Win32
>machines via external SCSI. Plus you don't have to unscrew the damn thing all the
>time.
>
> Matt
>
>
> At 04:00 PM 4/27/01 -0400, you wrote:
> >Dave,
> >
> >Thanks for your generous reply. Both of us may be at the limit of what we
> >know about mixed platform networks apparently like (nearly?) everybody
> >else.
> >This issue has bothered me for a long time. No, no Mac ever appears in
> >the Network Neighborhood of a plain vanilla Windows 95 peer-to-peer
> >Microsoft Client TCP/IP Ethernet network. Likewise, no PC ever appears
> >in the Chooser of a Mac similarly networked with Ethernet via twisted pair
> >cable and a hub to the PC (The only way to make even another Mac appear in
> >the Chooser is to have AppleTalk enabled and to choose AppleShare in the
> >Chooser. PC's don't ordinarily speak AppleTalk.
> >
> >I've read (Networking for Dummies by David Lowe, 5th Ed., pp. 304 f.):
> >
> >[1] "If your network has an AppleShare server [not to be confused with
> >'AppleShare' option in the Chooser when AppleTalk is made Active--yikes! a
> >separate software program that lists in MacWorld as AppleShare IP 6.3 for
> >Mac 10 client $449.95], you can use the Windows client software that comes
> >with AppleShare to connect any version of Windows to the AppleShare
> >server. Doing so enables Windows users to access the files and printers on
> >the AppleShare server.
> >
> >[2] "If you have Windows NT/2000 Server, you can use a feature called
> >Services for Macintosh to allow Macintosh computers to access files and
> >printers managed by he Windows NT/200 Server without having to install
> >special client software on the Macintosh computers.
> >
> >[3] "If you use NetWare you must purchase separate NetWare client software
> >for your Macintosh computers. After you install this client software, the
> >Macs can access files and printers managed by your NetWare servers."
> >
> >The above three observations are made at the end of a chapter on Macintosh
> >networks by Lowe in a Section called "What You Need to Know to Network
> >Macintoshes with PCs."
> >
> >But a statement Lowe makes earlier in this same chapter contradicts what
> >he says at the end: "You can integrate Macintoshes into any network
> >operating system that recognizes AFP [AppleTalk Filing Protocol]. NetWare,
> >Windows NT/2000, Windows 95/98 and Windows Millennium edition use AFP to
> >support Macintoshes in their networks" (p. 299). (
> >
> >How can it be both ways? I don't know about the others but if Windows 95
> >supports AFP, why isn't AFP indexed in the "Microsoft Windows 95 Resource
> >Kit''?
> >
> >I knew that Skidmore College had an student ethernet intranet consisting
> >of PC's and Macs. I called their Computer expert who said, no, their PC's
> >and Mac's couldn't access each others files.
> >
> >What I do know for certain is that when I click the Hosts button in FMP on
> >my guest Mac is that files available on my host PC appear. So FMP and
> >ebase do for us something truly remarkable. Now if I could only save all
> >my ebase files to the guest Mac's zip drive. It occurred to me that you
> >might be able to do this through the "Save a Copy As" option of the FMP
> >file menu. You can, one at a time. but it would be labor intensive to save
> >all of them that way. Probably the easiest and cheapest way out of this is
> >to acquire a SCSI adapter for the PC?
> >
> >Henry Bookout
> >North Fork Environmental Council
> >POB 799
> >Mattituck, NY 11952
> >
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Dave Shaw wrote:
> >
> >> I'm at the limit of what I know about mixed platform networks , but I
> >> would have assumed that if both machines are on the network and you
> >> are able to share files (even with FileMaker's built-in file sharing)
> >> that you have all the hardware (e.g., network boards) and software
> >> (e.g., drivers) that you need.Turn on file sharing in the Mac. Look
> >> in the Mac's Chooser to see if any of the PCs appear. Does the PC
> >> Network Neighborhood show the Mac? Anyone else have more detail on
> >> this?
> >>
> >> >>>When a PC hosts a Mac on a LAN is it possible to back up the host's ebase
> >> >>>files
> >> >>>on a Zip drive attached to the guest Mac? Or is it necessary to acquire a
> >> >>>SCSI adampter for the PC and attach the Zip drive to that?
> >> >>
> >> >>As long as both machines are on the network, you should be able to
> >> >>back up from the Mac. The details depend on your setup. It might be
> >> >>possible to mount the host drive on your Mac and just copy the file
> >> >>set from there to your zip drive. You might need use the PC to make
> >> >>a copy to a shared folder, then go to the Mac and copy from that
> >> >>folder to the zip drive.
> >> >>--
> >> >>Dave Shaw Northwest Classics, Inc
> >> >>tel: 206-954-7526 fax: 206-625-1338
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Dave,
> >> >
> >> >Both machines have etherNet cables running to a hub and are using
> >> >TCP/IP protocol. There are other PC's on this (peer-to-peer) network
> >> >as well and I have no problem with shared resources or folders among
> >> >the PC's. But no PC hard drive icon has *ever* appeared on the
> >> >desktop of the Mac and I have *never* seen *anything* PC on the Mac
> >> >except the "Host" radio button when opening the Mac as guest of the
> >> >host PC with ebase and FMP. I really do hope I am wrong because what
> >> >you have suggested would be so wonderful! But the notion of copying
> >> >anything on the hard drive of a PC or from a PC's shared folder to a
> >> >Zip drive on the Mac without additional (expensive) software
> >> >completely baffles me. Please set me right if this can really be
> >> >done.
> >> >
> >> >Henry
> >> >
> >> >
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