Thanks all - am alo considering the M-audio lightbridge (£298) (heard bard reports) and the Presonus Firestudio *Lightpipe* (£468) - both of which have 32 channel adat and then using behringer DA converters (4 * £100 = £400) - anyone any experience with these ?
On 25 March 2012 17:00, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send Sursound mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Sursound digest..." > > > When replying, please remember to edit your Subject line to that of the > original message you are replying to, so it is more specific than "Re: > Contents of Sirsound-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sursound Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19 (Augustine Leudar) > 2. Re: Sursound Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19 (Michael Chapman) > 3. Re: 32 (ish) channel soundcard for wavedield synthesis ? > (J?rn Nettingsmeier) > 4. Re: Sursound Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19 (John Leonard) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 16:54:02 +0000 > From: Augustine Leudar <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sursound Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19 > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <CA+6hXfJ0B6Z6i2fb=SXfYcNGtEGeBGfsuuv6z=21mjlk89b...@mail.gmail.com > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > operating sytem will probably be windows im afraid (I know I know) the same > spec machine with exactly the same procesor , ram, hd etc costs nearly 4 > times as much on a mac and linux will not run the software I wish to use > > On 24 March 2012 16:00, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Send Sursound mailing list submissions to > > [email protected] > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > [email protected] > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > [email protected] > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Sursound digest..." > > > > > > When replying, please remember to edit your Subject line to that of the > > original message you are replying to, so it is more specific than "Re: > > Contents of Sirsound-list digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. 32 (ish) channel soundcard for wavedield synthesis ? > > (Augustine Leudar) > > 2. Re: 32 (ish) channel soundcard for wavedield synthesis ? > > (Michael Chapman) > > 3. Re: 32 (ish) channel soundcard for wavedield synthesis ? > > (Eric Benjamin) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 00:11:22 +0000 > > From: Augustine Leudar <[email protected]> > > Subject: [Sursound] 32 (ish) channel soundcard for wavedield synthesis > > ? > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: > > < > ca+6hxfjypozewrrwtzffgscqqkjhhxrh2dc6ajn0mqd1j4w...@mail.gmail.com > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Hello all, > > I am looking to build a wavefield synthesis setup. I am looking to use > > about 32 channels more or less. > > I am currently thinking of using PCI or PCI express cards as they a > reputed > > to be faster than USB/Firewire. The sound cards and drivers need to be > > relatively stable as it will be playing 32 channels at the same time. > > I am aware of Motus stuff but was wondering if anyone knew of any cheaper > > solutions ? I was wondering if there were any ADAT only output sound > cards > > - I could then fit some Behringer DA converters, Someone also suggested a > > M-Audio Lightbridge but its firewire and I dont know how stable the > drivers > > are = could it handle 32 channels simultaneously ? > > any suggestions appreciated, > > cheers, > > Augustine > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: < > > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20120324/87748250/attachment.html > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 04:45:23 -0000 (GMT) > > From: "Michael Chapman" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] 32 (ish) channel soundcard for wavedield > > synthesis ? > > To: "Surround Sound discussion group" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 > > > > > Hello all, > > > I am looking to build a wavefield synthesis setup. I am looking to use > > > about 32 channels more or less. > > > > OS ?? > > > > M$ / Mac / 'nux / ... / ... ? > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 3 > > Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 22:58:18 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Eric Benjamin <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] 32 (ish) channel soundcard for wavedield > > synthesis ? > > To: Surround Sound discussion group <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: > > <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > > currently thinking of using PCI or PCI express cards > > Any time that there are multiple devices the chances of having them be > > offset in > > time increases dramatically.? I've really had a lot of bad experiences, > > both > > with multiple PCI audio devices and with multiple external ADAT devices.? > > I'm > > thinking of one system I saw a few years ago that had three ADAT cards in > > the > > computer to get 24 channels of output.? In that system I occasionally saw > > offsets of greater than a millisecond!? But more recently I've seen a > > system > > with four MOTU 24I/O devices for 96 channels of output, and that system > had > > perfect synchronization between devices. > > > > And of course ASIO drivers are a must. > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > > From: Augustine Leudar <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Fri, March 23, 2012 5:11:22 PM > > Subject: [Sursound] 32 (ish) channel soundcard for wavedield synthesis ? > > > > Hello all, > > I am looking to build a wavefield synthesis setup. I am looking to use > > about 32 channels more or less. > > I am currently thinking of using PCI or PCI express cards as they a > reputed > > to be faster than USB/Firewire. The sound cards and drivers need to be > > relatively stable as it will be playing 32 channels at the same time. > > I am aware of Motus stuff but was wondering if anyone knew of any cheaper > > solutions ? I was wondering if there were any ADAT only output sound > cards > > - I could then fit some Behringer DA converters, Someone also suggested a > > M-Audio Lightbridge but its firewire and I dont know how stable the > drivers > > are = could it handle 32 channels simultaneously? ? > > any suggestions appreciated, > > cheers, > > Augustine > > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > < > > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20120324/87748250/attachment.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sursound mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > > > > End of Sursound Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19 > > **************************************** > > > > > > -- > 07812675974 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20120324/3b0d0906/attachment.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 18:14:16 -0000 (GMT) > From: "Michael Chapman" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sursound Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19 > To: "Surround Sound discussion group" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 > > > operating sytem will probably be windows im afraid (I know I know) the > > same > > spec machine with exactly the same procesor , ram, hd etc costs nearly 4 > > times as much on a mac and linux will not run the software I wish to use > > > Sorry, then, my comments must be limited . . . > > AFAIK (i'm at home, it is in the studio) "Behringer DA converters" do > allow for synching. (Eric Benjamin's point is of the upmost > importance ...) > That still leaves you with ensuring the ?4 ADAT generating > cards are synched with each other. > > MOTU Travelers (and kindred) are meant to be stackable > and synch with each other. > For 32-ch you would presumably need two plus 2 > Behringers (a Motu Tr will output 8 analogue and one > ADAT (=16) ... I have done this for 16-ch. It _sounded_ > ok, but never measured.) > > If I was starting from fresh (and _not_ recording) I > would look at things _like_ <http://www.thomann.de/fr/rme_hdspe_raydat.htm > > > which _seems_ on a quick perusal to give you your 32-ch > for ?less than the price of a Motu. > > One point worth considering is cabling. > Depending on your layout, you may prefer to pay a bit > more to get groups of channels around the room > in one easy 'cable' such as ADAT, than having lots > of analogue from the centre. > > If the RME route is attractive, I'd ask again. Someone > on the list must have practical experience. > > Michael > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 00:29:55 +0100 > From: J?rn Nettingsmeier <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] 32 (ish) channel soundcard for wavedield > synthesis ? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 03/24/2012 01:11 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am looking to build a wavefield synthesis setup. I am looking to use > > about 32 channels more or less. > > I am currently thinking of using PCI or PCI express cards as they a > reputed > > to be faster than USB/Firewire. The sound cards and drivers need to be > > relatively stable as it will be playing 32 channels at the same time. > > I am aware of Motus stuff but was wondering if anyone knew of any cheaper > > solutions ? I was wondering if there were any ADAT only output sound > cards > > - I could then fit some Behringer DA converters, Someone also suggested a > > M-Audio Lightbridge but its firewire and I dont know how stable the > drivers > > are = could it handle 32 channels simultaneously ? > > any suggestions appreciated, > > for 32 channels i see two options: rme raydat (4x adat io), or, rather > more future-proof, an rme hdspe madi and either a 32x ad/da such as the > directout andiamo (very affordable and excellent quality), or a madi to > adat bridge such as the one by rme, or the recently released directout > exbox adat (converts madi i/o to 8x adat io). > > > > -- > J?rn Nettingsmeier > Lortzingstr. 11, 45128 Essen, Tel. +49 177 7937487 > > Meister f?r Veranstaltungstechnik (B?hne/Studio) > Tonmeister VDT > > http://stackingdwarves.net > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 16:58:22 +0100 > From: John Leonard <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Sursound Digest, Vol 44, Issue 19 > To: Surround Sound discussion group <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Only if you buy from Apple; I buy my RAM from Crucial and my bare > hard-drives from a local supplier. Costs are the same as for Windows > machines, as far as I'm aware. > > Regards, > > John > > On 24 Mar 2012, at 16:54, Augustine Leudar wrote: > > > ram, hd etc costs nearly 4 > > times as much on a mac > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound > > > End of Sursound Digest, Vol 44, Issue 20 > **************************************** > -- 07812675974 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20120325/5766291d/attachment.html> _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list [email protected] https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound
