You can find a readable(I hope) introduction to spherical
harmonics on my website
www.regonaudio.com
Robert
On Thu, 24 May 2012, Augustine Leudar wrote:

Hi,
I know what I need to do - I just want to find out why Im doing it. The
components were not expensive at all - the mic is already built and working
fine.  I am now just writing the encoding software in max . Phase inverting
one channel is not rocket science neither is normalisation. Sphercal
harmonics is way outside my field of expertise and I do not have the maths
to be able to understand it yet (though I may learn) , however the PHD
ambisonics students next door did give me an explanation to do with cosine
being on the opposite side with the capsule facing away - he wasnt entirely
sure but he didnt mention about spherical harmonics - I have also had a
couple of explanations but am just trying to get as many as possible so I
can do further research - so if you have time to give a full response
please dont oversimplify your replies - its up to me to go and do the
research afterwards and heres plenty of people here at the university that
can point me in the right direction...




A detailed explanation would be a spherical harmonic one
... and possibly not what you want ...

A simplistic one is that 'W' is a sum, whereas 'X', 'Y', 'Z' are
differences.
So (ignoring any misgivings about using six capsules, and
presuming their directional sensitivities are such that this
will work, ....):
W = Xf + Xb + Yl + Yr
X = Xf - Xb
Y = Yl - Yr
(I am also ignoring normalisation, and dropping 'Z' to keep
it simple.)
( f,b,l,r = front, back, left, right)

So to feed a 'front' loudspeaker:
F = W + X
and a 'back'
B = W -X
or
F = 2Xf + Yl + Yr
B = 2Xb + Yl + Yr

This is hideously over-simplified, but with all its errors
I hope it demonstrates how using a sum (W) and
differences (X,Y,..) allows reconstitution.

For a better (accurate) appreciation, you need to tackle spherical
harmonics.

Michael




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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 12:53:10 +0200
From: J?rn Nettingsmeier  <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] Why do you invert the phase of one channel of
       multi capsule microphones ?
To: Surround Sound discussion group <[email protected]>
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On 05/24/2012 11:57 AM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
Hello all,
I am building a six capsule ambisonic microphone. I have been told
that with the opposite capsules (ie up/down, left/right,
forward/backwards) I should invert the phase of one of the channels
and then add them to get the X,Y,Z for the ambisonic b format. I've
been struggling to find a good explanation -  I was wondering if
anyone could explain why this is in detail ?

if this is not obvious to you, then i'd recommend to do some more
research before you spend lots of money on parts and lots of time on
assembling the mike.

what you are trying to do sounds like a "native" b-format microphone,
but made from individual cardioid capsules. to get a figure-of-eight
(which has one in-phase lobe and another with inverted polarity), you
can subtract two back-to-back cardioids, which is just the same as
adding them with one of the capsules inverted.

best,


j?rn





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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 16:43:10 +0530
From: umashankar mantravadi <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] Why do you invert the phase of one channel of
       multi capsule microphones ?
To: <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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dear augustine

x y and z represent three figure of eight microphones. the way to generate
a figure of eight microphone out of two opposed cardioids is to invert the
phase of one, and sum them.

umashankar

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http://stores.lulu.com/umashankar


Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 10:57:35 +0100
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Sursound] Why do you invert the phase of one channel of multi
capsule microphones ?

Hello all,
I am building a six capsule ambisonic microphone. I have been told
that with the opposite capsules (ie up/down, left/right,
forward/backwards) I should invert the phase of one of the channels
and then add them to get the X,Y,Z for the ambisonic b format. I've
been struggling to find a good explanation - I was wondering if
anyone could explain why this is in detail ?
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 07:48:02 -0500
From: "Michael Graves" <[email protected]>
Subject: [Sursound] Dev-Audio MicroCone
To: "Surround Sound discussion group" <[email protected]>
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Hello All,

I'm delurking for a moment to see if anyone here has any knowledge of
Dev-Audio's Microcone?

http://www.dev-audio.com/

They have some marketing language that describes it as a 3D microphone
for simple recording applications. It records four streams to their
recording application (Mac only.)

They seem to have six capsules internall, but record four streams.
Could it be derived from something Ambisonics based?

I've emailed them to inquire about the specifics of the microphone
capsules.

Michael

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 14:27:26 +0100
From: "Rev Tony Newnham" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] Dev-Audio MicroCone
To: "'Surround Sound discussion group'" <[email protected]>
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Hi

The specs on http://www.dev-audio.com/products/microcone/ show that the
device appears to use 7 omni-capsules and some sort of "custom" DSP to
obtain the requisite 6 channels (for group discussions) from them.

They're mraketting it for voice recording.

Every Blessing

Tony

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Hello All,

I'm delurking for a moment to see if anyone here has any knowledge of
Dev-
Audio's Microcone?

http://www.dev-audio.com/





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