On Mon, Jun 03, 2013 at 08:10:29PM +0530, umashankar manthravadi wrote:

> I am a little confused by this discussion.

No surprise, a lot of issues got mixed up in this thread:

1) Can a 2D (horizontal-only) playback system generate
   plane waves (that do not attenuate with distance) ?

2) Will using some filters help to achieve this ?

3) Is there a fundamental difference between B-format signals
   produced by a tetra mic and A/B processing and 'native'
   B-format obtained directly from capsules ?

4) Given W,X,Y,Z, and when using a horizontal decode, is it
   possible to replace W by something that would match the
   vertical pattern of X and Y ?

The answers are no, no, no, and no. (4) can be approximated 
by using higher order signals. 

> isn't even a single microphone (of whatever pattern) picking up
> z axis signal as well the direction intended? isn't there some z
> signal even in standard m/s  or x/y recordings?

Depends on what exactly you mean by 'z axis signal'. 

1) A signal from a source not in the horizontal plane.
   All mics will pick up such signals. 

2) The signal corresponding to a fig-8 pointing up.
   Only a fig-8 mic pointing up will produce that. 
 
Ciao,


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