Great - that's very interesting, thanks.   Does anyone have any views on what 
ICST call Ambisonic Equivalent Panning?  This sounds like it could be useful to 
us as we need nice sounding panning algorithms but it doesn't have to be 
transferrable to other systems via B-Format..

J/


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On 17 Sep 2014, at 07:46, Giso Grimm <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 09/16/2014 11:16 PM, Jake Williams wrote:
>> Anyways, to cut to the chase - I am now working on designing some effects 
>> for a nightclub install - the idea being that there will be a subtle 
>> spatialisation of the DJ FX over the 8 speakers using, hopefully, 
>> Ambisonics.  Basically I am researching the best way to do this.  For 
>> Fragments I used Ableton going into the ICST externals in MaxMSP, but I 
>> can't get the latency low enough for a realtime, live signal without 
>> glitching and instability (the audio was all inside Ableton for the show, so 
>> a high buffer size was possible).  The producers of the project are keen not 
>> to use standard home computers, so I am looking for a rock-solid, very low 
>> latency solution.  What are your guys thoughts?  From digging in the 
>> archives (admittedly only as far back as 2011) I have identified some 
>> different possibilities -
>> 
>> 1.  Ambdec on something running Linux
> 
> We use a concert setup with ambdec and self-made (C++) spatialization
> software on Linux, for real-time spatialization of acoustic instruments.
> The electric latency from mic input to loudspeaker output was in the
> order of 8 ms, everything at 64 frames/block and 44.1 kHz with ardour2
> for mixing. It was glitch-free up to a CPU load of about 80%. In later
> concert using ardour3 for mixing we had to use 128 frames, leading to
> something like 15-20ms latency (also due to different routing).
> 
> Best,
> 
> Giso
> 
>> 2.  HOA on something running PureData (maybe Linux again?)
>> 3.  Ambi-X on Reaper (though this is only PC or Mac?)
>> 3.  Some sort of bespoke microprocessor solution, maybe based on Ambisonic 
>> Equivalent Panning?
>> 4.  Some sort of control over VCA faders in a quasi-analogue solution 
>> (though I have seen posts about this where you guys are not keen :-)
>> 5.  Has anyone run Ambisonics on a Kyma system??
>> 
>> We will be feeding live FX sends into the system to be spatialised in some 
>> preset patterns in it's basic operational mode.. it will of course be 
>> customisable for bespoke shows.  
>> 
>> Anyways if any of you have any input I would be very grateful :-)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Jake
>> 
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>> 
>> +44 7932 645145
>> http://www.jakeone.co.uk
>> http://www.fragmentsav.com
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