Rats can be a nuisance as well ;-)
The organisation behind it was TBA21, which (I believe) provided the core
funding but with as much outside funding as they could gather. For
Istanbul,
https://www.wallpaper.com/architecture/the-morning-line-sonic-temple-istanbul
says it was
"sponsored by Francesca von Habsburg, international patron of the arts,
heir to the Thyssen Bornemisza Collection and founder of TBA 21
contemporary arts foundation, along with Turkey's Vehbi Koç Foundation."
which as far as I remember, is correct, though the same page does give
Chris Wilson as a Cabaret Voltaire founder which should be Chris Watson, of
course.
Dave
On 30 June 2017 at 17:24, Augustine Leudar <[email protected]>
wrote:
> its not the heat Dave - its the humidity (100 percent) that destroys
> speakers , that and the ants . Who funded that ?
>
> On 30 June 2017 at 13:23, Dave Malham <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Well, they spent a year outside in Seville (not known for being cold),
> then
> > it was moved to Eminönü Square, Istanbul where it spent another long
> period
> > in hot (and salty) air, then it moved to Vienna, which is quite cold (!)
> at
> > times - now it's in Karlsruhe. The speakers seemed to do okay so I would
> be
> > more than happy to specify them again. But I know what you mean about "it
> > would have to be a well funded project" - fortunately it was, I think
> > moving it from site to site alone cost €250,000 a pop. Fun to do but I'm
> > glad I didn't have to worry about the finances :-)
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > On 29 June 2017 at 18:54, Augustine Leudar <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > They look nice Dave - it would have to be a well funded project to
> afford
> > > them though. I also wonder whether they could survie the sauna test for
> > > years..... humidity and heat being the main problems.
> > >
> > > On 29 June 2017 at 18:30, Dave Malham <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If you don't mind using analog audio, Meyer do some very nice,
> > waterproof
> > > > powered speakers (MM-4XP). They use a specially designed cable which
> > > > carries balanced audio and DC power. The connector is a bit fiddly to
> > > wire
> > > > up and they are not cheap but we got very good results from them in
> the
> > > > Morning Line project (
> > > > https://www.wallpaper.com/architecture/the-morning-line-
> > > > sonic-temple-istanbul
> > > > )
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 29 June 2017 at 17:48, Marc Lavallée <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The limit is actually more like 13W per device, according to:
> > > > > https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alimentation_%C3%A9lectrique_
> > > > > par_c%C3%A2ble_Ethernet
> > > > > A Raspberry Pi and a DAC would use 5 to 6W, leaving 7-8W to a
> D-amp.
> > > > > With efficient loudspeakers (and a few of them), 6W could enough
> > > > > for a small public installation.
> > > > >
> > > > > A hackish alternative would be to use only 2 pairs of a CAT5 cable
> > > > > for a 100BT link (which is enough to stream audio), and use the 2
> > other
> > > > > pairs to transmit power (as much as required).
> > > > >
> > > > > Running speaker wires is also a valid solution...
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Marc
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:10:12 -0700, [email protected] wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is an interesting discussion. Common, 802.3af P.O.E. is
> > limited
> > > > > > to 15w. Fine for a Raspberry Pi, DAC or DSP, but not enough for
> > much
> > > > > > amplification.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Graves
> > > > > > [email protected]
> > > > > > http://www.mgraves.org
> > > > > > o(713) 861-4005
> > > > > > c(713) 201-1262
> > > > > > sip:[email protected]
> > > > > > skype mjgraves
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [Sursound]
> > > > > > Multichannel players for permanent installations From: "Dave
> Hunt"
> > > > > > <[email protected]> Date: 6/29/17 11:04 am
> > > > > > To: [email protected]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that you'll find that an active speaker with an AVB
> input
> > > > > > will require more current than can be supplied over an ethernet
> > > > > > cable. Perhaps for very small speakers with a low power digital
> > > > > > amplifier, but anything decent would require mains (or DC
> > batteries)
> > > > > > to the speaker.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The available current may power the DAC though.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ciao,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Augustine Leudar <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > Date: 28 June 2017 22:06:52 BDT
> > > > > > > To: Surround Sound discussion group <[email protected]>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] Multichannel players for permanent
> > > > > > > installations
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Richard -
> > > > > > > There is lots of things that pan all around the room but the
> > > > > > > soundscape is
> > > > > > > designed in pre production for this installation and then its
> > just
> > > > > > > a multichannel file (or seperate mono ones). Other
> > installations I
> > > > > > > do are
> > > > > > > interactive and so sounds are processed and panned in realtime
> > > > > > > around the
> > > > > > > space depending on the sensors used etc. Certainly the AVB
> thing
> > > > > > > might be
> > > > > > > good for some less inhospitable environments- I especially
> like
> > > > > > > the way
> > > > > > > power can be taken to the the speakers via the ethernet
> > > > > > > cable.....
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