I’m not but I wish I was Looks and sounds very cool All the best Søren Bendixen/Audiotect
Sendt fra min iPhone > Den 26. mar. 2023 kl. 17.37 skrev Augustine Leudar > <[email protected]>: > > Hi Spatials, > On the outside.possibility that anyone finds themselves around Killarney > National Park in Ireland today, The Garden of Unearthly Delights 3D sound > installation is open free to the public, details here: > > https://fb.watch/jw0M1Skl1n/ > > Exact location: > > Dropped pin > https://maps.app.goo.gl/iP74ynDuhJiwVz1U6 > > All the best > Gus > > > > >> On Wed, 15 Feb 2023, 17:00 , <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Send Sursound mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Sursound digest..." >> >> >> WHEN REPLYING EDIT THE SUBJECT LINE >> >> ALSO EDIT THE MESSAGE BODY >> >> You are receiving the digest so when replying, please remember to edit >> your Subject line to that of the original message you are replying to, so >> it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Sursound-list digest?" the >> subject should match the post you are replying to. >> >> Also, please EDIT the quoted post so that it is not the entire digest, but >> just the post you are replying to - this will keep the archive useful and >> not polluted with extraneous posts. >> >> This is the responsibility of digest subscribers. the community and list >> subscribers care about the integrity of the threads and archives so this is >> important. >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Tenure-track professorship open in Aalto University (Pulkki Ville) >> 2. Re: So long CIPIC HRTF? (Fons Adriaensen) >> 3. Re: So long CIPIC HRTF? (Sampo Syreeni) >> 4. Re: So long CIPIC HRTF? (Chris Woolf) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:21:21 +0000 >> From: Pulkki Ville <[email protected]> >> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> Subject: [Sursound] Tenure-track professorship open in Aalto >> University >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> Hello, >> >> [sorry for cross-posting] >> >> We have an assistant-level tenure-track faculty position Department of >> Information and Communications Engineering in Aalto University. >> >> We welcome all applicants with a research background where psychoacoustics >> is applied in audio or any other field of acoustics. >> >> More details here: >> >> https://aalto.wd3.myworkdayjobs.com/PrivateJobPosting/job/Otaniemi-Espoo-Finland/Assistant-Professor-in-Technical-Psychoacoustics--tenure-track-_R35274-5 >> >> The campus of Aalto University is in Espoo, metropolitan area of Helsinki, >> Finland. >> >> >> All the best, >> Ville Pulkki >> Professor of Acoustics >> Acoustics lab >> Dept Information and Communications Engineering >> Aalto University >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20230215/b45a154f/attachment.htm >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 12:44:46 +0100 >> From: Fons Adriaensen <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Sursound] So long CIPIC HRTF? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> >>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 05:06:39PM +0200, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >>> >>> I'd put counter-aileron, maybe some rudder, and often pull down >>> to recover airspeed... >> >> 'pull down' ?? >> >> You either 'pull up' or 'push down'... >> >> And if you're in a spiral, there is no need to recover >> airspeed - it will be dangerously high and you want to >> reduce it. >> >> Ciao, >> >> -- >> FA >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 15:43:00 +0200 (EET) >> From: Sampo Syreeni <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected], Surround Sound discussion group >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Sursound] So long CIPIC HRTF? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed >> >>> On 2022-12-31, Chris Woolf wrote: >>> >>> It has always struck me that we can indeed adapt remarkably quickly to >>> local changes in our personal HTRF, and that therefore this needs to >>> be considered as a dynamic affair, rather than a purely static one. >> >> By the way, there are even more remarkable examples of that adaptability >> in psychophysics. Perhaps the most dramatic I know of is the one of >> inverting goggles. Apparently, if you consistently wear a headset which >> flips your vision upside down, in about two to three weeks your circuits >> adjust to compensate, and then back again once you stop the experiment. >> That happens even if you're an adult, so that this is not an example of >> early childhood, low level plasticity and the irreversibility that comes >> with it. (Pace kittens only shown vertical stripes and that sort of >> thing.) >> >>> So how much precision is really needed for an HRTF? And how inaccurate >>> can it be for our normal correction ability to deal with it? >> >> Perhaps even more to the point, what precisely are the mechanisms which >> enable us to compensate like that? Because if we really understood what >> they are, maybe we could take conscious advantage of them, to rapidly >> train people to work with a generalized HRTF set, instead of going the >> hard way of measuring or modelling individualized head, torso and pinna >> responses. >> >> One obvious answer is feedback. I'd argue the main reason head tracking >> works so well is that we're tuned to correlate how we move with the >> sensory input provoked by the movement. That's for instance how children >> appear to learn first occlusion and then by extension object constancy. >> In audition, I've had the pleasure of trying out a research system in >> which different kinds of head tracked binaural auralization methods were >> available for side by side comparison. The system worked surprisingly >> well even with no HRTF's applied, but just amplitude and delay variation >> against an idealized pair of point omni receivers. I also adapted to it >> *really* fast, like in ten minutes or so. >> >> But is there more? Head tracking, especially in a directionally solid >> and low latency form, isn't exactly an over the counter solution yet. So >> could you perhaps at least partially substitute the learning from >> feedback with something like synchronized visual or tactile cues, in a >> training session? Because if you could, you'd suddenly gain a lower cost >> yet at least somewhat effective version of binaural rendering; there >> would be money to be made. >> -- >> Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - [email protected], http://decoy.iki.fi/front >> +358-40-3751464 <http://decoy.iki.fi/front+358-40-3751464>, 025E D175 >> ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2 >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 16:57:43 +0000 >> From: Chris Woolf <[email protected]> >> To: Sampo Syreeni <[email protected]>, Surround Sound discussion group >> <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [Sursound] So long CIPIC HRTF? >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed >> >> You add some attractive academic thought to this problem - more >> organised than my original poke. >> >> Can I throw in another silly thought? The "training" to cope with a >> modified HRTF - say, putting on a tilted wide-brimmed hat and pulling a >> thick scarf round one's neck - seems to take place almost instantly. As >> someone mentioned on this list before, this is probably because there >> are visual clues that allow us to re-calibrate our direction sensing, >> most particularly if the changes are within a range that we have often >> met before. That familiarity seems necessary,? because I've noticed that >> if one of my ears is temporarily blocked for some reason, I can still >> make the directional re-calibration but it definitely takes longer - >> long enough for me to be conscious of doing it. >> >> The silly thought is, do we just need a short-term feedback correction? >> A brief visual cue, which can subsequently be dropped, because our >> neural correction system retains the re-calibration until something else >> occurs to convince our brain that it needs to correct again. No idea how >> you might experiment with that.... >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >>> On 15/02/2023 13:43, Sampo Syreeni wrote: >>>> On 2022-12-31, Chris Woolf wrote: >>> >>>> It has always struck me that we can indeed adapt remarkably quickly >>>> to local changes in our personal HTRF, and that therefore this needs >>>> to be considered as a dynamic affair, rather than a purely static one. >>> >>> By the way, there are even more remarkable examples of that >>> adaptability in psychophysics. Perhaps the most dramatic I know of is >>> the one of inverting goggles. Apparently, if you consistently wear a >>> headset which flips your vision upside down, in about two to three >>> weeks your circuits adjust to compensate, and then back again once you >>> stop the experiment. That happens even if you're an adult, so that >>> this is not an example of early childhood, low level plasticity and >>> the irreversibility that comes with it. (Pace kittens only shown >>> vertical stripes and that sort of thing.) >>> >>>> So how much precision is really needed for an HRTF? And how >>>> inaccurate can it be for our normal correction ability to deal with it? >>> >>> Perhaps even more to the point, what precisely are the mechanisms >>> which enable us to compensate like that? Because if we really >>> understood what they are, maybe we could take conscious advantage of >>> them, to rapidly train people to work with a generalized HRTF set, >>> instead of going the hard way of measuring or modelling individualized >>> head, torso and pinna responses. >>> >>> One obvious answer is feedback. I'd argue the main reason head >>> tracking works so well is that we're tuned to correlate how we move >>> with the sensory input provoked by the movement. That's for instance >>> how children appear to learn first occlusion and then by extension >>> object constancy. In audition, I've had the pleasure of trying out a >>> research system in which different kinds of head tracked binaural >>> auralization methods were available for side by side comparison. The >>> system worked surprisingly well even with no HRTF's applied, but just >>> amplitude and delay variation against an idealized pair of point omni >>> receivers. I also adapted to it *really* fast, like in ten minutes or so. >>> >>> But is there more? Head tracking, especially in a directionally solid >>> and low latency form, isn't exactly an over the counter solution yet. >>> So could you perhaps at least partially substitute the learning from >>> feedback with something like synchronized visual or tactile cues, in a >>> training session? Because if you could, you'd suddenly gain a lower >>> cost yet at least somewhat effective version of binaural rendering; >>> there would be money to be made. >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sursound mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound >> >> WHEN REPLYING EDIT THE SUBJECT LINE >> >> ALSO EDIT THE MESSAGE BODY >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Sursound Digest, Vol 174, Issue 5 >> **************************************** >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/private/sursound/attachments/20230326/792e479e/attachment.htm> > _______________________________________________ > Sursound mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit > account or options, view archives and so on. _______________________________________________ Sursound mailing list [email protected] https://mail.music.vt.edu/mailman/listinfo/sursound - unsubscribe here, edit account or options, view archives and so on.
