---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 00:53:22 -0400 (EDT) From: ANDY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [pctoolbin] Re: WinXP etc. On Sun, 8 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Brad-- > > I can fully understand MS's desire to combat software piracy but I > think they're going about from the wrong end. In the last year, MS > has won court cases against three companies that were producing > counterfeit software here in the Atlanta area and 2 of them were > repeat offenders. These are the people that I think MS should go > after, not the casual user who burns a copy for his buddy. These and > the small shops that are using one copy of Windows to load all the > computers they sell, which makes price competition very difficult for > the honest shop. The reason is that the companies making counterfeit > software or loading the OS don't care about activation, they don't > even care if the product has a valid ID key. All they want to do is > sell it by the case to some schmo who turns around and sells the stuff > at some computer show or puts an add in the paper. so what does this mean? that if I buy a computer loaded with a bootleg/unauth. copy of WinXP at a (possibly fly-by-night) computer show or through a (possibly fly-by-night) newspaper ad... that it won't be usable unless I knowingly never turn the machine off?? or find out unknowingly I've bought a lemon/with an illegally copied OS that must now be repaired/loaded, at my additional cost, with a legitimate copy of WinXP??? would I be, or are average PC buyers, willing to accept this risk and additional cost as part of the price of acquiring (maybe attractive hardware or software? at or through such "possibly fly-by-night" venues? rather no, if I'm in the counterfeit business or running a dishonest shop, regarding WinXP, you better believe I'm worried about "activations" because everybody now knows about activations with WinXP... the first question, regarding the **WInXP** OS, *ANY* hardware OR software reseller *IS* going to hear is: "is this copy\are these copies Legitimate??? and if so, prove it!!" so from what *I* can see, Microsoft's anti-piracy scheme *WILL WORK*! to stop such common criminals; counterfeitors OR "loaders", and yes, unfortunately, maybe also, common users, from making copies. These are the > people who are making a profit off the software. > > Another point is this: When you force someone to use your product > simply because you can, you then have to maintain that monoply at all > costs because the moment an alternative becomes available, people will > leave you in droves. And many of them will leave just for spite, > because they were held captive for so long. I feel a better business > model is one where your product is widely used because people want to > use it even if there are alternatives. You get more flies with honey > than you do with vinegar. > > Microsoft's new licensing schemes for business now will require them > to upgrade when Microsoft says, not when they feel a need to. Why? > Because Microsoft needs to stabilize it's revenue stream. Since all > but specialized apps will run adequately on the last generation of > computers and OS's, there is no need to use the ones available now, > much less the ones coming later this year. > > And there are the points raised by Steve Gibson (and M$'s less than > adequate reply) in response to the DDoS attack on his website in May. > (If you have time, read the articles at www.grc.com and follow the > links.) Being able to spoof IP addresses, without egress filtering by > ISP's, allows the hacker to initiate a DoS attack right from his own > computer, without the bother of taking control of other machines and > creating 'bots and all that that entails. I don't know if it will be > as bad as some predict but I think it will significantly alter what > the web is and how we use it. > > HEY!?! Who left that soapbox in here?? I hate when I stumble over > stuff like that. > > JMHO Tom Hunt > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Brad Mills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > S.M.Kelly, > > >I wondering how copies can be burned and distributed of WinXP with > the > > new Activation requirements? I've been testing since Beta 1, 2, and > > now RC1 and all require activation. After you install once, every > > install after that bombs internet activation and requires a call to > MS > > to activate. (they ask you a bunch of questions regarding why they > see > > you've already installed it once.) Believe me I've been through at > > least a dozen times between WinXP and the OfficeXP copy I received > from > > MS. 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