> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 15:01:57 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: /home/g/geoghega/mail/modem > > Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2001 16:38:37 -0400 > From: "Anthony J. Albert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: thanks everybody for being so patient with me :) > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT > > On 3 Oct 2001, at 11:56, ANDY wrote: > >Anthony J. Albert wrote in part: > ><snip> > >> you'll fill one slot with a modem adaptor, and one with a network > >> adaptor/NIC. There are some one-slot modem + network combination > >> cards, if you want to spend the extra $$$ for one. > >> > >> Note that some old IBM systems had MCA (Micro Channel Architecture) > >> slots inside them - these are _not_ ISA compatible. If you need a > >> network adaptor for one of those, you'll have to do some serious > >> hunting around for one that is MCA compatible. (It all has to do > with > >> the edge of the card that fits into the computer - there are a number > >> of different sizes of the edge connector that fits into the slots. > >> More info, upon request.) > > > >> I would suggest that if you want to share a dial-up connection, that > >> you instead equip both computers with modems, for dialling in to your > >> ISP (Internet Service Provider). I have had acquaintances use NAT to > >> share a dial-up connection, and they have told me that it never > > worked > >> really well. However, if you have a cable modem, ISDN, or other > high- > >> speed, always-on connection, then NAT may work quite well for you. > >> > > > > Dear Andy, > > Well, taking the things you've remarked on or asked about in order... > > > Thank-you for your suggestion, both computers *are* equipped with > >modems... I realize I should not be wasting time and money on this but > I > >*am* curious... this is what I want to do: I want to connect my AT 386 > DX > >with a cross-over cable *or* hub to the 28.8k modem on my 486 Toshiba > >laptop(with the open PCMCIA slot)... > > Hooking two modems directly together is possible, but very, very > difficult. You need to have a dial-tone generator to hook them into, > otherwise both will report that there is "No Carrier" and refuse to > dial. > > If what you meant was that you want to hook the two computers together > in > some fashion, for the purpose of sharing files, you have a couple of > options. >
sorry I didn't specify *exactly* what I wanted to do... : I wanted to run netscape on the AT 386 DX using the modem on the 486 toshiba laptop what would be the *best* way of doing this? (I realize you will be away until the 15th, but maybe in the mean time someone else might have an idea of what would be the best way to accomplish this) Thanks for all your help so far! Andy > 1. Hook serial ports together, for a short-distance, two-computer-only, > file transfer method. You'll need a "null-modem", straight-through > cable, > and appropriate adaptors on either end (9-pin or 25-pin) to attach to > each > computer. Then you'll need terminal software on either end - Telix is > one > of my favorites (though shareware) for the PC. I use Kermit when cost > is > a factor. > > 2. Hook network adaptors together, for a longer-distance or for more > than > two computers. In this case, you put a network card or adaptor in each > computer, and then run wire to each computer. The types of network > adaptors you'll need are most likely 10-Base-T adaptors. 10-Base-T > requires that you have a hub if you have more than two computers, or a > special cable if you have just two computers. > > >... now suppose, I get an ISA 10-BASE-T > >card *AND* drivers for Win3.1(would drivers like these be hard to > find?) > >and a PCMCIA card with drivers for Win3.11 *and* I am able to install > >them -hardware end- and configure them -software end-(how does > >one install a driver from a DOS directory rather than an installation > >floppy) correctly > > If you find or purchase ISA 10-Base-T adaptors for your systems, you > should be able to find the Windows 3.1 drivers for it on the > manufacturer's WWW site. You can likely find ISA ones at the local > computer store. A used one should cost less than US$10. PCMCIA adaptors > might be available there, too, but you'll likely have to buy a new one, > or > perhaps you can purchase one on-line. If you can find out the brand and > model number of the adaptor before you purchase it, go to the > manufacturer's WWW site to be sure that the drivers are available. > > Installing the ISA card should be relatively easy, but full instructions > are beyond what I can type here. Here's a summary, though. > 1. Open the computer case by removing the screws and sliding the top > off. > 2. Remove the backplate from an empty slot > 3. Configure any jumpers or switches on the card for an unused IRQ and > base address > 4. Insert the card > 5. Turn on the machine, and see if it starts up properly. If it > doesn't, > turn off the power, remove the card and go back to step 3. > 6. Once the system will operate properly with the card installed, get > the > drivers for the card and install them. There will probably be an > install > program downloaded with the drivers. > 7. Try to get the system to operate properly with the network drivers > installed. > 8. Close up the case. > 9. Cable the system to the network. Enjoy! :-) > > Installing the PCMCIA card should be much easier. Insert the card, then > if it doesn't automatically ask for the drivers, run the driver > installation program (usually included with the driver download). > > If you have to install drivers from a directory, rather than a floppy, > and > the installation process asks for a path, then simply type in the > directory path, i.e. C:\download\mydriver\ See the documentation that > comes with the hardware for more details. > > >... now what?? what is "NAT"? is their NAT for Win16?? www.nat32.com is > >only available for Win32... in my reading I found web pages that said I > >could use Trumpet Winsock which I use already or FTP Software's > PCTCP... > >is this correct? and *how* would I use Trumpet Winsock to enable such > >modem sharing??? > > NAT is an abbreviation of "network address translation". It is used as > part of the software to allow multiple computers to share one (or more) > Internet address (IP address). You might need it, but only if you set > up > TCP/IP on your local network, and also wish to connect that network > directly to the Internet. And maybe not even then. > > >please see my next post to show you what I was reading > > > >I found one hopeful site: www.spartacom.com - what do you think of the > >products there? would you recommend any? > > If you get your two computers set up, then the products at that WWW site > can offer a variety of solutions for "What do I do next?" Those > products > at the WWW site you mention allow you to share files, printers, or > modems > over your LAN (local area network). > > There are also free / shareware products to perform these tasks. > > TCP/IP stacks (the software to let your computer talk TCP/IP over the > network card) can be found for free, and the client software to utilize > the TCP/IP protocol can also be found for free. For example, you could > set up one of your computers as an FTP (file transfer protocol) server, > and the other as an FTP client, and transfer files back and forth - just > like using FTP on the Internet. Or set one up as a WWW server, and the > other up with a browser. There are a lot of options, depending on what > your end goal is. > > >thanks again and I realize I would be better putting my time and money > >into a newer system but it's just that I am fascinated by the idea of > >connecting these old machines > > Nothing to be ashamed about in that regard - most of the members of this > mailing list have experimented with aging computers in some fashion or > another. > > Anthony J. Albert > > P.S. I'm going on vacation until the 15th of October, so I won't be > replying again soon, but will ASAP after my return. > =========================================================== > Anthony J. Albert [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Systems and Software Support Specialist Postmaster > Computer Services - University of Maine, Presque Isle > > "Civilization is just a slow process of learning to > be kind." - Charles L. Lucas > To unsubscribe from SURVPC send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with unsubscribe SURVPC in the body of the message. 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