"Heimo Claasen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Well, in a way they do run the show. But with the presents for them.
> Here's (pardon for crossposting) the tale of a desillusioned
> cyberchild who hoped to get on the safe side, finally, with a M$
> product:
>
> --------------------quote:--------------
> [...]
> Windows XP comes with a firewall on the Internet connection -- great, you
> can't be hacked!   BUT IT ONLY WORKS ONE WAY -- monitoring the data coming
> into the system, but not going out. This means that any program installed
on
> the machine, be it mundane or malicious, can send out without you knowing
> about it.
> [...]

As opposed to which other operating systems? Thinking all the way back to
DOS 2.11 (Apple DOS 3.3 actually) and up to the present, the best I've seen
on a desktop or server is that comes pre-configured is INBOUND protection,
and even that's been historically marginal until recently. And let's face
it, if MS INCLUDED a full-blown firewall:

A) Most users wouldn't be able to understand it, and so would disable it
completely, thus removing even the inbound protection provides (which is
significant if used properly).

B) This list would be full of people bitching about MS including YET ANOTHER
app in their behemoth and screaming for DOJ to step in.

Besides, egress filtering doesn't make sense on a desktop, and only limited
sense on a server. It belongs at the network perimeter so it can catch ALL
of the outbound traffic from a single location. Imagine the nightmare of
configuring detailed rules on 100 systems, when all that nasty outbound
traffic can be monitored from ONE location and catch FAR MORE potentially
malicious traffic! That's what a network Intrusion Detection System (IDS) is
for. If it were running on the compromised machine (remember whatever
compromised it got PAST the existing INBOUND protection to start with) then
it could just as likely DISABLE the OUTBOUND protection, giving a false
sense of security.

I'd just as soon avoid XP, but I see this as another pointless case of MS
bashing.

- Bob

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