Henry Makow, PHD and a confirmed Torah Jew, had much to say about "The Protocols", since we seem to want to get into it....
This is not to say that they are genuine or not, it is, as I have said in the past, more than a little curious that everything contained therin has and is coming to pass. Dr Makow's articles can be found here: http://www.savethemales.ca/000334.html http://www.savethemales.ca/000298.html http://www.savethemales.ca/000223.html http://www.savethemales.ca/000205.html --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, fox mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- arthur sauerhaft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --------------------------------- > Hi Keith, > I never thought it was possible to win ,but it > is still important > to keep fighting the fight, I posted this sight > http://skepdic.com/protocols.html as some > substantiation as to the > intent and origins of "the Protocols". Did you follow > the link? This > work was created as fiction that was distorted into > fact. > you state: > > "Silly land grabs and commodity wars"? Silly? I guess > that's one way > of putting it. Indeed ideology is the biggest killer, > and it > certainly has a very great deal to do with "silly land > grabs and > commodity wars", which is in fact what his thread is > all about. > /* > this was what the thread was about, that has evolved. > > > you state: > */We're all entitled to our opinions, and entitled to > express > them too, but when you're attempting to discredit > someone else's > view, which he's provided some substantiation for, it > needs a little > more than just an opinion and a contemptuous > slap-aside. > > *are you saying "the Protocols" are legitimate? > > I must admit, I've never heard of Godwin's Law, and > I've lost by that standard, but when if not in this > case is it appropriate to mention the Nazi's or > Hitler? > Is is that these things should never be spoken of, or > better yet forgotten? > You state: > *A couple of comments: First, because you personally > find it ugly and > hateful does not necessarily mean that those were its > intentions - > you assume that, fail to examine it, fail to establish > it, and then > lash out on an unsubstantiated basis with a personal > attack. > > *My attack was substantiated by the using "the > Protocols" as a basis for his argument which further > my claim that his arguments are ugly and hateful. > you state: > */* > */By the way, "Lucifer" means "bearer of light", it > was Satan's name > and role before the Fall. > > *I did not know that, but i believe my point was > clear. > Keith, did you choose not to post my replies to others > yesterday? > or was it part of list technical problems yesterday? > I still value my right to express my opinion, although > you may not agree with me on other issues or the way I > express myself, i know you we share at least that > common value. > -Arthur > * > > > > > Keith Addison wrote: > > >Hello Arthur > > > >You lose! > > > >I suppose it's no big surprise that a thread such as > this should hit > >Godwin's Law, but it sure didn't take you long. > > > >In case you don't know it: "Godwin's Law prov. > [Usenet] "As a > >Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a > comparison > >involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a > tradition in > >many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is > over, and whoever > >mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever > argument was in > >progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees > the existence of > >an upper bound on thread length in those groups. > However there is > >also a widely- recognized codicil that any > intentional triggering of > >Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending > effects will be > >unsuccessful." > > > >Intentional or not, the thread isn't necessarily > over, but you definitely lose. > > > >A couple of comments: First, because you personally > find it ugly and > >hateful does not necessarily mean that those were its > intentions - > >you assume that, fail to examine it, fail to > establish it, and then > >lash out on an unsubstantiated basis with a personal > attack. > > > > From this and several other things, whether or not > this applies to > >Luc, it might well apply to you: > > > > > > > >>Yes , Luc this is > >>personal , people like you spread hatred and kill > far more people than > >>silly land grabs and commodity wars ever will. > >> > >> > > > >"Silly land grabs and commodity wars"? Silly? I guess > that's one way > >of putting it. Indeed ideology is the biggest killer, > and it > >certainly has a very great deal to do with "silly > land grabs and > >commodity wars", which is in fact what his thread is > all about. > > > >Now perhaps some sort of "my enemy's enemy is my > friend" type > >thinking may lead you to conclude that I'm defending > Luc. I'm not > >defending Luc, that's up to him, if he chooses to, > but I am attacking > >you. > > > >Whether you agree with it or not, Luc provided some > analysis and some > >references and links, which you dismiss as "proven > scams and hate > >literature" and liken them to "Mein Kampf". It just > doesn't work that > >way here. We're all entitled to our opinions, and > entitled to express > >them too, but when you're attempting to discredit > someone else's > >view, which he's provided some substantiation for, it > needs a little > >more than just an opinion and a contemptuous > slap-aside. So either > >add some substance to it, or don't expect to be > treated with any > >respect. > > > >By the way, "Lucifer" means "bearer of light", it was > Satan's name > >and role before the Fall. > > > >Keith > > > > > > > > > >>>I am reposting this because I accidently coppied > all/most of the > >>> > >>> > >>previous posting and was added to the end. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE FOR WASTING BANDWIDTH ON THIS > RANT, PLEASE FORGIVE ME > >> > >>Luc, > >>I am Jewish and I am a Zionist. > >>I have tried to stay out of this ugly hateful thread > but I find myself > >>swept in because of your twisting of truths and > binding them to lies. > >>Jews who are not Zionists can mostly be divided into > two groups, those > >>that are not Zionist for theoligical reasons tied > into the coming of the > >>Messiah (like Rabbi Teitelbaum) , and "left wing > liberals" who in my > >>opinion care less about remaining Jewish and more > about being > >>respected in their circles as politically correct > Humanists. This is > >>material for another thread on another list. Rabbi > Teitlebaum is more > >>concerned about his small Chasidic sect being the > subject of secular > >>Jewish rulings that do not coincide with his > interpretation of > >>trditional Jewish law. I, as an observant Jew > respect his opinion but > >>I do not agree with it. > >>I would also argue that most Jews, secular and > observant, are Zionists > >>to different degrees. There are many different > definitions within the > >>Jewish community about what Zionism is , but the > central belief is > >>that Israel, as a Jewish state has the right to > exist. What it's > >>borders are and how it is governed is another > debate. > >>Your exceptional naivete (to be generous) and your > insensitivity to > >>regarding your previous posting quoting things like > the "Protocols of > >>the Elders of Zion" just proves your ignorance. > These documents are > >>proven scams and hate literature. I am suprised you > do not quote "Mein > >>Kampf"(sp?) and proclaim Hitler and the Grand > Inquisitors as tellers of > >>great truths. > >>You also probably wake up each morning(after > checking the horizon for > >>the "black helicopters of the Apocalypse) looking > for a reason why your > >>own life is unsatifactory and blame anyone but > yourself. It is so easy > >>to imagine all the forces of the world conspired > against you rather than > >>working out real solutions to your own shortcomings. > Yes , Luc this is > >>personal , people like you spread hatred and kill > far more people than > >>silly land grabs and commodity wars ever will. > >>Luc, you must take your name really seriously, > spreading hatred and lies > >>to the ignorant, isn't your name short for Lucifer. > >>-Arthur > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > >Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > >http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > > >Biofuels list archives: > >http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > > >Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list > address. > >To unsubscribe, send an email to: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Yahoo! 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