Trouble with methane - it's the lightest of all those 'anes' and the amount
you can put in a car tire will get you about as far as you walked with the
tire.  Saw a picture of them cooking with biogas in Vietnam - stored in a
huge clear plastic bag suspended over the range and the gas came out when
they pulled a rope that squeezed the bag.  If it ever lit up it would all be
gone before anybody could grab an extinguisher.  Better to have a weight on
a diaphragm in the top of your digester kind of like the big natural gas
storage tanks they have all over London that slide up and down a tower like
a caisson into a water tank
But it is purely a stationary fuel.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith Addison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <biofuel@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2004 3:02 AM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Ice Age bolthole


> Greetings Bob
>
> Fancy meeting you here! LOL! What a world, eh? It sure does have its
> brighter moments.
>
> Folks, this young feller Bob Molloy and I worked together at the Cape
> Times in Cape Town 27 years ago just before I left South Africa, and
> it was a real delight to get an email from him a few days ago, after
> all this time. He used to live in a cottage all by itself on one of
> the more beautiful beaches in the world. Four years ago when we
> started this project we were living on another of the more beautiful
> beaches in the world.
> http://journeytoforever.org/about.html
>
> (But Hout Bay's better! And so was your cottage - the Beach House on
> Lantau was a ramshackle old wreck.)
>
> >Jumping in here as a total newbie (and in reply to the Kim and Garth
Travis
> >on the best bolthole during the coming Ice Age) why not think of New
> >Zealand? The world's best kept secret is an English-speaking high-tech
> >liberal democracy located on a group of three major islands in the
Pacific,
> >with a population of four million in a land area the size of the British
> >Isles (pop. 60m). Green, clean and pristine, with scenery to die for -
Lord
> >of the Rings was shot here - the climate ranges from semi-tropical to
> >temperate.
>
> You're right, by all accounts. That movie had Americans calling their
> travel agencies trying to book a holiday in Rivendell. And now you've
> gone and told them where it is!
>
> >Bob.
> >PS: forget bio-diesel, look at methane gas. A clean burning fuel that
runs
> >any petrol engine with but minor modifications, easily transported in old
> >rubber car tubes, is available free from any city garbage dump (and your
own
> >household septic tank if you have one) and can be generated in your own
> >backyard by digging a large hole and filling it with animal/human faeces
> >and/or green vegetation. For more information try Brian at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Or here:
>
> Put a chicken in your tank
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#bate
>
> Methane Digesters For Fuel Gas and Fertilizer -- With Complete
> Instructions For Two Working Models
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#methanefry
>
> Nepal Biogas Plant -- Construction Manual
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#nepgas
>
> Jean Pain: France's King of Green Gold
> http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#pain
>
> And loads more to come.
>
> But you don't see people doing it, do you? Lots of people visit those
> pages, lots of inquiries all the time about Bate's chicken car, but
> it never seems to go any further.
>
> Same with woodgas:
> http://journeytoforever.org/at_woodfire.html#woodgas
>
> Millions of vehicles used woodgas in Europe and elsewhere in WW2, but
> now? A few demos, that's all.
>
> Anyway, don't forget biodiesel, nor any of these technologies - it's
> often said here that there's no one-size-fits-all solution for
> biofuels, bio-energy or alternative/renewable energy, a rational
> energy future will need them all, in whatever combinations best fit
> the circumstances. I'm sure that's right.
>
> Regards
>
> Keith
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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