Those pumps die anyway. Biodiesel isn't a problem with them. The 
Diesel Fuel Injection Equipment Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, 
Denso, Bosch) still make cautious noises about biodiesel but they're 
supportive nonetheless. They insist on standard-spec fuel at minimum, 
but it's easy to make standard-spec biodiesel or better. Here's their 
statement on biodiesel quality:
Summary -- html
Full document -- Acrobat file, 104kb

For SVO/WVO the same reservations apply to Stanadyne pumps as to 
Lucas-CAV - rotary pumps, not good.

Elsbett says: "We do not suggest to modify engines equipped with 
injection pumps manufactured by Delphi, Lucas, CAV, Stanadyne and Roto-Diesel."

There's more about this at Darren Hill's site:

Meanwhile there've been furious denials from Greasel and probably 
others - nothing wrong with rotary pumps and SVO, they say, it's just 
"rumors", "misinformation". Ho-hum.

Ed Beggs of Neoteric reported an initial failure (old pump) and no 
problems with the rebuilt replacement: "Starting into a project with 
an old highly worn pump - well, sure,
anything can happen... these pumps fail daily to begin with, on 
diesel fuel... Throw in some inferior WVO that should have been made 
into biodiesel, and you are adding to the potential for problems, 
IMO. On the other hand, with a good pump in good shape, and good WVO 
or SVO, well heated and free of water and contaminants.. no problems."

Others agree with that, though it's also said that the Stanadyne 
pumps can't take too much heat either, maybe 180 deg F max. Not too 
little, not too much.

It's the same with the Lucas - it can be done but it has to be done 
well, and there's still a shortage of long-term results, there are 
some, but not enough.

Once again, it's the difference between biodiesel and SVO. Biodiesel 
- any diesel will do. SVO - maybe any diesel, but there's a lot more 
to consider, if you're just going to chuck it in and go then be 
prepared for problems.



>to elaborate on that a little (since I own one of these vehicles)
>Elsbett has recommended not converting vehicles equipped with
>Stanodyne pumps to SVO. (this came from Aleksander Noack
>directly, not sure if it's on their website or not)
>we had a LOT of failures (ie 7 or 8 now?) with these pumps (on
>Fords and Chevy trucks) in the Bay Area on SVO, none on
>biodiesel. Of course lots of other people have also run them
>successfully on SVO, again, no pump failures reported anywhere
>on biodiesel.
> It looks like the failures in our area were mostly on vehicles
>which weren't getting sufficient heating on the WVO side. These
>folks mostly ran homemade or experimental conversions, and
>the failures (sized pump) occured quite early in the conversion's
>life. The several of these cases that I looked into, didn't do
>adequate temperature monitoring , so it is possible that the
>temps weren't up to par. In any case it seems a strong case to
>be extra careful with SVO in these vehicles.
>One of them seized his pump and then seized the newly rebuilt
>replacement almost immediately. When he called the rebuild
>company about it the second time, they asked if he was using
>biodiesel- they'd apparently gotten a few back from various
>people already. I imagine that the SVO'ers who were trying to get
>the company to accept their seized pumps as cores were
>probably doing what my friends did- and probably weren't quite
>straight with the co. as to what fuel they were using, and had
>probably told that company it was biodiesel (since that sounds
>less bad than hacking into your fuel system, from a fuel injection
>equipment manufacturers' perspective.
>--- In, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Not recommended for SVO/WVO use, fine with biodiesel.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Keith
> >
> >
> > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Best I can tell the pump in my vehicle is a "distributor type"
> > > > Stanadyne pump. If I am wrong on that point, someone
>please correct
> > > > me!
> > >
> > >
> > >    From what I remember, the fuel injector pump on the 5.7,
>6.2 and 6.5
> > >is a Roosa Master.  I don't know why distributor type fuel
> > >pumps would have problems on biodiesel, though I imagine
>the close
> > >tolerances of such a device might cause problems with WVO
>after it had
> > >cooled down.  But that would simply entail running biodiesel
>or standard
> > >diesel through the pump for a few moments to clean out the
>hot WVO
> > >before shutting down, would it not?
> > >
> > >    Once, when I was seriously looking at a 6.5 turbo diesel, I
> > >contacted Ed Beggs about a SVO conversion for that engine.
>He told me
> > >at the time that he'd had no experience with this family of
> > >Since this is Ed's business, I hedged on buying the truck and
>it sold to
> > >someone else.
> > >
> > > > Thanks for any info or especially experiences if anyone is
> > > > already burning these fuels using a motor and pump
>similar to mine,
> > > > thanks again!!!
> > >
> > >    I would also like to know!
> > >
> > >
> > >robert luis rabello
> > >"The Edge of Justice"
> > >Adventure for Your Mind
> >
> >

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