>Ok, so you got a fancy dancy stove that uses biodiesel and we are
>now all drooling, sooooo, do you also have a contact adress/website
>where we can get one too? Please? Ta!

:-) Drool away, see if I care! Heh!

But you're wrong, it's NOT fancy dancy, it's common-or-garden, that's 
the whole point. Ramjee told me the price in India was US$8 equiv. We 
could get them here in Japan, which exports them, but the price was 
$100-$120, and that for a much smaller one, sort of camping style, a 
toy, not kitchen style. It seems the ones they export to 3rd World 
countries they don't supply on the domestic market, as so often with 
Japanese companies, very frustrating.

The main reason we needed it was because so many people from 3rd 
World countries have asked us for a solution for using 
locally-produced biofuels, ie produced at village-level, in kerosene 
cookers. We're much interested in this subject of 3rd World cooking, 
there's quite a lot about it on our website. (In fact we're much more 
interested in this than in helping people in the rich countries to 
make biodiesel.) Solar box cookers are one solution:
Solar box cookers: Journey to Forever - how free solar energy is 
saving lives, saving trees, fighting poverty and hunger in the Third 
World, how to make a solar box cooker, school project

Improved woodstoves are another:

Wood fires that fit - Appropriate technology

Cookstove for schools: Journey to Forever

Biogas is another. But there isn't one single complete solution. 
There's still a lot of basic development work to be done on improved 
woodstoves, especially on the IDD woodgas variety, one of the more 
promising types. For instance, this was reported in New Scientist: "A 
new kind of cooking stove for Kenya is an example. Some Englishmen 
invented a stove that could be made of local clay and which was much 
more economical of wood than what had been used. They went to Kenya 
and persuaded the locals to build 250 of them over several years. At 
the same time a kerosene stove made in Japan was introduced and 
10,000 were sold through ordinary commercial channels. The kerosene 
stove was not made locally, and the fuel had to be imported." A solar 
cooker some Americans attempted to introduce in Lesotho was even more 
of a flop. In both cases, it wasn't so much that the cookers were a 
flop, the projects trying to introduce them were.

Anyway, since so many 3rd World people have demonstrated a preference 
for kero stoves, one (of several) approaches is never mind the 
stoves, how to substitute for the fuel? Basically, two problems, and 
two possibilities. The problems are two kinds of stoves (at least) - 
pressure stoves ("roarers") and wick stoves. The two main 
possibilities are biodiesel and SVO. Biodiesel is technically the 
better option, or at least the easier one. It's said biodiesel won't 
travel up a wick, but it will, if you get the wick right, and the 
level of fuel in the reservoir relative to the wick right too. So 
will SVO, though it's not as easy and it helps to pre-heat it. Todd's 
talked of a donut-shaped affair, which confirms what we've been 
working on too. But first we needed to know whether biodiesel will 
burn in an ordinary, generic-type, kero pressure stove without 
modification. Thanks to Ramjee, we can say the answer is an 
unqualified "Yes". Great news! Now, how to get it to burn SVO? Next 
problem, followed by developing stoves or adaptations to existing 
stoves for burning biodiesel and/or SVO in wick stoves.

On the ground, biodiesel is not the best solution - SVO will always 
be more easily available at village-level than biodiesel will be. On 
the other hand, there are many good reasons for starting biodiesel 
projects, or biodiesel-SVO projects, in villages, with the usual 
provisos of all development projects - see our Community development 

Community development: Journey to Forever

Community development - poverty and hunger: Journey to Forever

Hence our "fancy dancy" stove that uses biodiesel, Luc.

But so what, eh? - where can you buy one? These stoves below are sold 
in the US, and advertised as also burning diesel fuel, they'll 
certainly burn biodiesel very happily. I'm not sure offhand just who 
sells them there, you'll have to search a bit. No use writing to 
Lovson - well, you can try, but I couldn't get a response from them:
Brass Stoves,Petromax Lantern Exporters,Kerosene Stoves 
India,Stoves,Kerosene Pressure Lantern,Indian Stoves,Kerosene 
Lantern,Brass Stoves,Petromax Stoves Exporters,India

That "Petromax" Lantern by the way, is a generic Petromax-type 
lantern, not a genuine Petromax. BriteLyt makes those (and they do 
work on biodiesel, and on ethanol).

Anyway, don't you like our processor?



>--- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Journey to Forever 90-litre processor
> > http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor10.html
> >
> > "This is a cheap, simple, safe and very effective biodiesel
> > processing set-up that you can easily build yourself. It's easy to
> > make high-quality biodiesel this way.
> >
> > "We've used 90-litre kerosene water-heater tanks, but any similar
> > bigger tank with a tight-fitting removable lid would do..."
> >
> > Full details, photos, how to use, etc.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Keith

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