Hallo Dan, Go check out these sites and then come back and defend Israel.
http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0693/9306019.htm http://home.cfl.rr.com/gidusko/liberty/ This is the biofuels list and then some. No topic cops. Happy Happy, Gustl Tuesday, 15 June, 2004, 13:10:08, you wrote: DF> I visited Israel recently and toured the Golan among other places. The DF> Golan is the perfect place for anyone bent on the destruction of Israel DF> (like Syria professes to be) to possess so that they can just drop their DF> artillery shells on the most inhabitted sections of the country. That's DF> what they tried to do in 1967 and there is absolutely no reason for DF> anyone to believe that they will not repeat that if they ever get the DF> Golan back. The only way Israel can be secure is to retain the Golan DF> and keep those people who wish to see Israel destroyed off of it. DF> But isn't this supposed to be the biofuels list? DF> Dan DF> -----Original Message----- DF> From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DF> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:57 AM DF> To: email@example.com DF> Subject: Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment DF> Steve, DF> This is one of the worse things I heard for a long - long time. We have DF> international laws that regulate this and none is supporting your and DF> Israel's view about individual ownership, as you are stating it. It DF> might have been true some hundreds years ago, but today ownership must DF> be respected. This have nothing to do with what the state occupies DF> whoever, they are obliged by international law to respect individual DF> property rights. An occupier have the obligation to protect the occupied DF> population and provide a secure environment in accordance to DF> international law and human rights. Israel does nothing of either. DF> Personally I feel cheated, since I have for so long supported Israel and DF> its right to live in peace and security. How can this state that for so DF> long and in such a high degree, solicited and got my support, commit DF> such crimes today. DF> Every time I look at what you are saying, it get me more and more upset DF> and how can anyone be so f-ing stupid. I do not normally get so upset DF> and it is not good for my health. My friend, you do not fit in the DF> modern society, with respect for human rights. How can anyone support DF> land grab and stealing from individuals, who are the victims of a DF> conflict between states and not personally responsible. DF> How could you, Israel and the US government develop such a barbarian DF> view. DF> The negligence by US to follow the international laws in Iraq, might be DF> a sign of both the US and Israel ignorance. Leaders and government of DF> countries are expected to follow international laws, if not, they are DF> criminals. Both US and Israel are bound to these laws and have ratified DF> them, their behavior is not supportable. DF> Hakan DF> At 15:43 15/06/2004, you wrote: >> >I am a neutral observer. To distinguish between what is just and >> >what is not. Jews have taken other peoples' homes and have driven >> >them out of their land. >> > i understand that all the arabs have accepted the fact that Isreal >> >is to exist. They have offered to live in peace provided Isreal >> >returns all the land it stole from the arabs in 1967. Why have Jews >> >rejected it? >> >>If this person went to work.. made money that he earned would he feel >>that the money still belongs to his employer? >> >>When you capture territories in a war ... they are yours.. not the >>people you captured it from. These are the same things.. >> >>That is why the Jews have rejected giving the land back. It is theirs.. >>they were attacked... they won. >> >>End of story... this was not a land grab...this was the spoils of war. -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. 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