Hallo Dan,

Go check out these sites and then come back and defend Israel.



This is the biofuels list and then some.  No topic cops.

Happy Happy,


Tuesday, 15 June, 2004, 13:10:08, you wrote:

DF> I visited Israel recently and toured the Golan among other places.  The
DF> Golan is the perfect place for anyone bent on the destruction of Israel
DF> (like Syria professes to be) to possess so that they can just drop their
DF> artillery shells on the most inhabitted sections of the country.  That's
DF> what they tried to do in 1967 and there is absolutely no reason for
DF> anyone to believe that they will not repeat that if they ever get the
DF> Golan back.  The only way Israel can be secure is to retain the Golan
DF> and keep those people who wish to see Israel destroyed off of it.

DF> But isn't this supposed to be the biofuels list?

DF> Dan
DF> -----Original Message-----
DF> From: Hakan Falk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
DF> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:57 AM
DF> To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
DF> Subject: Re: [biofuel] wondering about this comment

DF> Steve,

DF> This is one of the worse things I heard for a long - long time. We have
DF> international laws that regulate this and none is supporting your and
DF> Israel's view  about individual ownership, as you are stating it. It
DF> might have been true some hundreds years ago, but today ownership must
DF> be respected. This have nothing to do with what the state occupies
DF> whoever, they are obliged by international law to respect individual
DF> property rights. An occupier have the obligation to protect the occupied
DF> population and provide a secure environment in accordance to
DF> international law and human rights. Israel does nothing of either.
DF> Personally I feel cheated, since I have for so long supported Israel and
DF> its right to live in peace and security. How can this state that for so
DF> long and in such a high degree, solicited and got my support, commit
DF> such crimes today.

DF> Every time I look at what you are saying, it get me more and more upset
DF> and how can anyone be so f-ing stupid. I do not normally get so upset
DF> and it is not good for my health. My friend, you do not fit in the
DF> modern society, with respect for human rights. How can anyone support
DF> land grab and stealing from individuals, who are the victims of a
DF> conflict between states and not personally responsible.

DF> How could you, Israel and the US government develop such a barbarian
DF> view.
DF> The negligence by US to follow the international laws in Iraq, might be
DF> a sign of both the US and Israel ignorance. Leaders and government  of
DF> countries are expected to follow international laws, if not, they are
DF> criminals. Both US and Israel are bound to these laws and have ratified
DF> them, their behavior is not supportable.

DF> Hakan

DF> At 15:43 15/06/2004, you wrote:
>> >I am a neutral observer. To distinguish between what  is just and
>> >what is not. Jews have taken other  peoples' homes and have driven
>> >them out of their land.
>> > i understand that all the arabs have accepted the fact  that Isreal
>> >is to exist. They have offered to live in  peace provided Isreal
>> >returns all the land it stole  from the arabs in 1967. Why have Jews
>> >rejected it?
>>If this person went to work.. made money that he earned would he feel
>>that the money still belongs to his employer?
>>When you capture territories in a war ... they are yours.. not the
>>people you captured it from.  These are the same things..
>>That is why the Jews have rejected giving the land back. It is theirs..

>>they were attacked... they won.
>>End of story... this was not a land grab...this was the spoils of war.

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