I find this things very hard to believe. My father was telling me about how in the 70s someone put together a book that said we where going to run out of nickel copper and various other metals. The book quoted mostly dates in the 80s. It is now 2004 and we are recycling some stuff, but we are not going to run out anytime soon. David Szuki in Canada has been predicting complete environmental collapse since the 80s. Like some cult he keeps moving the date out when it becomes obvious that it isn't going to happen. Certainly some of these things are risks, but there is not solid evidence that any of them are going to happen. In fact as we speak algae has started growing better in the oceans and is partially reversing the greenhouse affect.
Stop preaching doom and gloom. There is no proof it is going to happen. Just as there is little proof it isn't. So far the evidence seems to support life is a lot less fragile than we thought. It is certainly more stable than David Szuki was intimating. Now back to reality. We need to find recyclable ways to replace parts of our society that are throw away. Possibly the way we get there is by waiting until the cost of the recyclable product drops below the cost of the throw away product but I would like to see it happen sooner primarily but considering throw away a sin tax. And taxing it appropriately. Things that have been irritating me: Electric cars produce more polution and CO2 than gas cars. Remember marginal electricity is produced by Coal in NA. The Green party in Can has their heart in the right place but can't seem to do basic scientific research so they promote electric cars. The Green party in Can claims they believe in science and financial responsibility and they push unscientifically proven remedies on people. Why the vast majority of people who believe in the environment are so left wing no one is willing to take them seriously. For that matter most right wing governments don't seem to get the environment. Why most left wing governments don't understand you need a strong business economy to pay for all of the stuff to help out the little guy and the environment. Why most right wing governments don't understand the only thing public corporations want is money. They don't EVER care about anything else. Ok I admit I am in a bad mood and am done now. - bfn - JAW Ken Provost wrote: > on 6/15/04 7:48 AM, Dan Fitzpatrick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > >>I'm very interested to learn how far we could go towards >>completely replacing fossil-fuels without sacrificing lifestyle. > > > > Probly not very far. Check out "The Party's Over", Richard Heinberg. > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail > /-/0865714827103-4126562-7176623?v=glance > > I just bought 10 copies to give away. Not the definitive work > by any means, but everything has been brought together nicely > in one place, including a lot of history I never knew. He and > others make the case that our "lifestyle" is a petroleum-fed > aberration, and likely a good thing to sacrifice (or jettison) > as soon as possible, surely including much misery in the process. > > -K > > > > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Biofuels list archives: > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ > > Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. > To unsubscribe, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/