The best result will depend entirely on the specific circumstances.  Not all 
places 
boast good solar or wind energy resources.  Could be both, one or the other or 
neither in any specific location.  That requires analysis (data logging or 
existing 
insolation or wind maps can only provide information for a general area, not a 
specific point location).

That said, in general, I believe wind will be the primary sustainable source to 
watch in years to come.  Global dimming is a little-known, but recognized, 
phenomenon.  In much of the world, less insolation is reaching the earth's 
surface, 
which will impact conventional solar (PV) panels negatively.  However, global 
warming should mean that there will be more energy in the atmosphere, which 
lead to 
higher average winds around the planet.

Both sources have advantages and disadvantages.  Many people believe you should 
have both, to diversify your supply opportunities.  I still believe you should 
do 
the resource analysis for your location, and go with whichever will work best 
in 
your situation.  If you are blessed with both good solar and wind energy, then 
wind 
will likely provide more watt-hours for the money.

Darryl McMahon




From:                   Tom Irwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date sent:              Tue, 30 Aug 2005 12:36:10 -0300
Subject:                [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
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> Hi All,  
> 
> If climate change occurs from global warming do solar panels make more sense 
> to buy
> or will wind be better. My thoughts go toward wind. If the temperature 
> expected
> occur, many areas will have more cloudy days from all of the extra moisture
> evaporated into the atmosphere from the rising ocean tamperatures. What do 
> you all
> think? Wind can be fairly constant in some areas and should only increase from
> climate change.   
> 
> Tom Irwin 
>       _____  
> 
>   From: Mike Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
> Sent: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:56:33 -0300
> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day
> 
> FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 backlog of 
> orders.
> 
> Keith Addison wrote:
> 
> >Hi Darryl
> >
> >Very nice!
> >
> > 
> >
> >>I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point 
> >>is,
> >>don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
> >> 
> >>
> >
> >I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far.
> >
> >If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey 
> >to Forever for it, might help.
> >
> >It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work 
> >out that way I don't mind.
> >
> >Best wishes
> >
> >Keith
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >>Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their 
> >>gasoline stations up
> >>for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the 
> >>returns for their
> >>shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump 
> >>them. I won't
> >>be holding my breath.
> >>
> >>As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before.
> >>
> >>If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever 
> >>reason,
> >>here's a start on what you can do to make a difference.
> >>
> >>1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked.
> >>
> >>2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local 
> >>FreeCycle, or bike
> >>repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and 
> >>practical for
> >>your use. Then use it.
> >>
> >>3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if 
> >>necessary. Slight
> >>overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat
> >>monthly or more frequently if required.
> >>
> >>4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. 
> >>Check owner's
> >>manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control 
> >>system problems,
> >>etc while you are at it.
> >>
> >>5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining).
> >>
> >>6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool.
> >>
> >>7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your 
> >>vehicle. There are
> >>many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE 
> >>dual-fuel incentive,
> >>where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check 
> >>your
> >>vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make 
> >>your
> >>own, of course).
> >>
> >>8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra 
> >>weight uses more
> >>energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. 
> >>(e.g. sand and salt
> >>mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well).
> >>
> >>9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / 
> >>energy wise labels.
> >>
> >>10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something 
> >>that is as fuel-
> >>efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not 
> >>necessarily all of
> >>your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements.
> >>
> >>11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company 
> >>to boycott or
> >>support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are 
> >>local and have
> >>been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I boycott
> >>Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record 
> >>(and other
> >>undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop 
> >>Exxon's gross
> >>revenue in a regional market by 10% for a quarter, that would 
> >>definitely get their
> >>attention. Giving their station attendants and cashiers a quiet day won't.
> >>
> >>12) Try to drive to avoid periods of traffic congestion. You get 0 mpg when
> >>idling in stopped traffic.
> >>
> >>I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point 
> >>is,
> >>don't act for a day, act for a lifetime.
> >>
> >>Darryl McMahon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"mphee" wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>>Station owners really don't make much money off of gas. Their 
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>lucky to make a
> >> 
> >>
> >>>nickel a gallon. They make their money on what's called C-Store sales.
> >>>
> >>>If more people could take public transportation it would help greatly.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Funny tidbit. BP says they loose money on their gas stations, $100mil last
> >>>year. You refine it, you transport it, you store it, you 
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>delivery it, and you
> >> 
> >>
> >>>sell it. How do you loose money when you control all aspects of 
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>it. Just by
> >> 
> >>
> >>>vertues of econmies of scale you have to make money.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 14:46:25 GMT, marilyn wrote
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>>effort to take public transportation for a whole month.
> >>>>
> >>>>Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote:
> >>>>"This is mostly an incorrect rumor.
> >>>>http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/nogas.asp - It'd better
> >>>>serve everyone to forward accurate information about
> >>>>alternatives to petroleum."
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks for the reply, and especially for the Snopes site. I hadn't
> >>>>heard if it. I will check it from now on.
> >>>>
> >>>>I was concerned about the cost to the station owners, but
> >>>>wondered it it was part of a larger plan to start with a one day
> >>>>boycott as a symbol of protest, then move from there to a longer
> >>>>period that would have a major impact. I figured if anyone knew
> >>>>this, it would be this group.
> >>>>Marilyn
> >>>> 
> >>>>
> >
> >
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