Hi all, Ok, I think I've finally caught up here. Chris, in your first post of this thread you were quoting those americans (excluding yourself?) who believe that the blacks of New Orleans are "enemies of the state", morally equivalent to the 9-11 bombers? Then in your next post you said that believing this requires Orwellian triple-thinking, basically lying to oneself? And your comments about Mardi Gras in the third post were again quoting the same sort of triple-thinking hypocrites as the first?
I agree, this is first class hypocrisy, especially from people who think that invading sovereign states and wounding or killing many thousands of people, is morally justifiable, but a few days of drunken debauchery by consenting adults, isn't. I must say your position was quite obscure from the posts. Duncan, you wondered about triple-think, an extension of a process commonly known as doublethink, first discussed in George Orwell's "1984". From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink> Doublethink means, according to George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four: the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. ... To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth. (pages 35, 176-177) Of course our current administration finds doublethink too limiting, thus triplethink. Paul Krugman has been writing about the ugly side effects of extreme income inequality for years, here's some of it: <http://faculty.pnc.edu/arw/gbg344/For%20Richer.htm> <http://www.pkarchive.org/economy/therich.html> On Sep 8, 2005, at 9:17 AM, Mike Weaver wrote: > mardi gras--a > days-long orgy of drunken debauchery and sexual disinhibition > > As long as they are grownups, don't hurt anyone and don't break the > law, what business is it of ours? > Let he who is free from sin cast the first stone. > Didn't our president have a few years of drunken debauchery? > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> >> >> hi, taryn. >> >> >> >>> I'm surprised to see you take these positions >>> >>> >> >> ???? >> >> >> >>> you've often disparaged >>> corporate and government abuse of power >>> >>> >> >> indeed i have. >> >> >> >>> and spoken up for the underdogs. >>> >>> >> >> as i did with my earlier post to this thread. duncan is not an >> american but >> he summed up the meaning quite well (though based on his further >> comments i'm >> not sure whether he understood my voice either--see my post >> immediately >> preceding this one). >> >> Duncan wrote: >> >> >> >>> It seems that you agree that Katrina and what happened during and >>> after are >>> caused by inequalities, but inequalities that are deeper than income. >>> Inequalities that divide a nation to such an extent that one group >>> can call >>> itself American and the other not. >>> >>> >> >> of course, i was simplifying things a teeny bit in the interest of >> brevity >> and succinctness. for some, for example, the simple fact of mardi >> gras--a >> days-long orgy of drunken debauchery and sexual disinhibition--would >> be reason >> enough to let the city sink into the gulf. of course, many who >> think that way >> already think in the way i described earlier in this thread. >> >> anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding. >> >> -chris b. >> _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
