I'll have to try that in my Hummer John Beale wrote:
>A couple of weeks ago, some family friends from the Midwest visited for >the night on their way to visit their extended family in Maine. At one >point, one of them informed me that if we all use Ethanol in our cars, >we'll get at least twice the fuel economy and our cars will handle >better in inclement weather conditions. > >Perhaps all these rolled-over SUV drivers thought that their 4WD SUV >was also a flex-fuel vehicle -- and that the combination of the two >made their Explorer into the Batmobile. > >True story. >-John > > > >On Jul 6, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: > > > >>As I keep telling people, all 4WD does is get youy moving. You'd be >>amazed at the number of people that think it allows you to drive faster >>in the snow due to "better all weather handling". These are the same >>morons that put high octane gas in their Civics for more power... >> >> >> >>Zeke Yewdall wrote: >> >> >> >>>Around here I've certainly seen more SUV's upsidedown in the creek in >>>the snow than cars... Just based on how poorly most of even the new >>>SUV's handle in the snow compared to my 20 year old subaru, I'm not >>>really suprised. High center of gravity, high horsepower, short >>>wheelbase, and bad front/rear weight distribution just isn't too good >>>on icy highways. >>> >>>Z >>> >>>On 7/6/06, *Mike Weaver* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote: >>> >>> It's a common misperception that SUV's are safer than smaller >>>cars. >>> It's not true look up number of fatalities at iihs.org >>> <http://iihs.org> or hldi.org... >>> >>> Terry Dyck wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Smart Cars are considered one of the safest cars on the road next >>>> >>>> >>> to a >>> >>> >>>>Volvo. The frame is solid steel. Large SUV's are the most >>>> >>>> >>> dangerous cars >>> >>> >>>>because they roll easily. Don't let size determine safety, it >>>> >>>> >>> does not work >>> >>> >>>>that way. >>>> >>>>Terry Dyck >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>>>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>>> >>>>> >>> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>> >>> >>>>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>>> >>>>> >>> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>> >>> >>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008 >>>>>Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 09:01:51 -0400 >>>>> >>>>>I'd stay off the highway, heck, I'm scared to ride my Harley on the >>>>>interstate... >>>>> >>>>>mark manchester wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I hate to see these things on the highway, looks like people >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> flying along >>> >>> >>>>>>under an umbrella. Surely can speed along, this is pretty much a >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>four-wheel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>hooded motorcycle. Incredibly cute, though, and comfy. Very >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> popular >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>here >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>in Toronto, but there's zero trunk space. >>>>>>Jesse >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>From: Mike Weaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>> >>> >>>>>>>Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:44:51 -0400 >>>>>>>To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> <mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> >>> >>> >>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..was..smart car coming to US in 2008 >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I've been thinking that what I need would be a two seater with >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> a fairly >>> >>> >>>>>>>large storage space as I usually go downtown with servers and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> stuff. My >>> >>> >>>>>>>Golf works ok with the seats down, but if the whole vehicle were >>>>>>>designed for hauling small and medium loads a "Smart Car" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> design would >>> >>> >>>>>>>be perfect. Now think of a diesel/electric hybrid... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>-Weaver >>>>>>> >>>>>>>AltEnergyNetwork wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Haken, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I've seen the 2 seater up really close, took a look inside, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> watched it >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>being >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>parked >>>>>>>>in a miniscule spot, been behind one and in front of one in >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> traffic, >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>haven't >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>driven one yet. >>>>>>>>They are really cool little cars. I think it is going to fill an >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>important >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>niche market for >>>>>>>>couriers, deliveries, fleets and businesses that like the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> fact that it >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>sips >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>thimbles of gasoline. >>>>>>>>Still, in order to wean Americans off of their obsession with >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> suvs, it >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>might >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>be a good idea if the company made a "heftier" 4 seater >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> utility that >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>would >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>appeal to the suv crowd and still sip at the pump. Image is >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> everything >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>and if >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>the average joe >>>>>>>>thinks that they can get one of these green machines and >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> still be able >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>to lug >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>around >>>>>>>>the stuff that they do AND save at the pump, great. It's the >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>> old " >>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>having >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>cake and eating it too" >>>>>>>>syndrome but people respond to it, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>regards >>>>>>>>tallex >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>< >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>-------Original Message------- >>>>>>>>>From: Hakan Falk < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] was..smart car coming to US in 2008 >>>>>>>>>Sent: 02 Jul '06 08:22 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Tallex, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>The market for 250 pound people is very much smaller in >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> Europe than in >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>US >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>and >>>>>>>>>I think that it is not a primary target for SMART cars. Do >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> not only >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>look at one, try >>>>>>>>>it and you will be surprised on how spacious it is for 2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> people and >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>how well it >>>>>>>>>transport/park for urban dwellers. I do however agree on the >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> problems >>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>in US, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>it is little space for the oversized chip and snack packs, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> that seems >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>to be the >>>>>>>>>essentials for US commuters. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I am not a small person 186 centimeter and 96 kilo (which is too >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>much), but >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>I >>>>>>>>>fit well in a Smart. I did however not consider the image >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>> problem. >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>Hakan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>At 09:15 02/07/2006, you wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>That's great Haken, so if they already have a four seater, >>>>>>>>>>it is not to much of a stretch to do a minivan version as >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> well and >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>still >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>be considered a smart car? >>>>>>>>>>Also, I've seen the two seater and while really cool, there >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> is no way >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>you are going to fit 2 - 250 pound people side by side, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> they would >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>look >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>like >>>>>>>>>>circus clowns stuffed into the seats. >>>>>>>>>>People want utility in their vehicles and still be as >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> efficient as >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>possible. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>tallex >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>< >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>-------Original Message------- >>>>>>>>>>>From: Hakan Falk <[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Biofuel] smart car coming to US in 2008 >>>>>>>>>>>Sent: 02 Jul '06 06:56 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>They do have a 4 seater model already, it is selling in >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Europe for >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>quite a while. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>Hakan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>At 08:06 02/07/2006, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Great idea but I think that they better make a four >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> seater for the >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>US market. Smart cars have been out for about a year in >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Canada and >>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>>>while really cool, I have a hard time >>>>>>>>>>>>imagining 2 average Americans in one ;) LOL, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>regards >>>>>>>>>>>>tallex >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Smart Car Coming to US in 2008 Launch by DaimlerChrysler >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>< >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1151818384.news > >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Get your daily alternative energy news >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Alternate Energy Resource Network >>>>>>>>>>>>1000+ news sources-resources >>>>>>>>>>>>updated daily >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.alternate-energy.net >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Next Generation Grid 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