On Fri, 7/18/08, Jon Bosak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Oh, that's right, without those wasteful vehicles, they're not going to be able 
to get it to you, are they?  Tsk.
 
Jon,
 
On our farms we really never had any use for all those cars Andy Goodell was 
referring to when it came to getting our goods to the city.
 
On our farms we used trucks, not cars, to transport the tons, not pounds, of 
our farms' production to market.  Between the dozen or so farms owned by the 
members of the clan we had the 1/2-3/4 ton pick-up for small loads, 2 or 3 
single-axle large trucks and at least one ten-wheel truck owned by an uncle but 
available to other family members as needed.  Milk production was hauled away 
by a truck - owned and operated by a local family.
 
For large shipments like bulk grain, hay and straw we would contract with a 
local indpendent owner/operator or a tractor-trailer to haul goods to market.
 
I've seen nothing in the past couple of decades to make me think that this 
practice has not changed among farmers.
 
My farmer in-laws in Viet Nam still rely on the old standby that Tom Shelley 
referenced in his e-mail, the handcart.  On flat land they can haul a 500-1,000 
pounds of produce the 10 miles to market in Hoi An in about 3 hours.  But I'm 
willing to bet they are in far better physical condition than any reader of 
this post.
 
One of the horrible negatives of the urban density model I advocated a few 
months ago is the elimination of that suburban American sacred cow known as the 
sideyard.  Eliminating the sideyard in favor of townhouse party-wall 
architecture however would free up 25%-30% of the land currently wasted in 
cities such as Ithaca and let it be utilized for more productive, greener use, 
like community gardens within walking distance of ones home.
 
Our colonial predecessors here and America brought that concept from Europe 400 
years ago.  Outside the United States  99 percent of the world's urban denizens 
understand the concept.  It's pretty amazing in this "enlightened" day and age 
that we still can't figure it out.
 
George Frantz
  

--- On Fri, 7/18/08, Jon Bosak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Jon Bosak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [SustainableTompkins] Prius/electric Cars Could Be Polluters
To: "Sustainable Tompkins County listserv" 
<[email protected]>
Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 3:21 PM

Andy Goodell wrote:
| I specifically chose to live in a place that I knew I would easily
| get along without owning a car. I get everywhere by bike except
| when I have been lazy and use the moped, which is about $2 of gas
| per month with my current usage.

Good thing someone else is willing to grow your food for you.

Oh, that's right, without those wasteful vehicles, they're not
going to be able to get it to you, are they?  Tsk.

Jon

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